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| What do we Fiero enthusiasts think about the Infrastructure bill? (Page 2/7) |
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sourmash
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AUG 11, 12:07 PM
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Per mile is coming. You can't use an energy tax at the fuel pump with electric cars.
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2.5
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AUG 11, 12:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Per mile is coming. You can't use an energy tax at the fuel pump with electric cars. |
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There is a lot of BS being forced down the pipe for sure.
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rinselberg
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AUG 11, 02:03 PM
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The "angst" that is being expressed about the anticipated GPS trackers for Electric Vehciles to assess mileage-based road user fees or taxes strikes me as carping.
Do the "angst-ers" refrain from using debit cards or credit cards as they go about their day, so that they can sleep better at night knowing that they have not created any electronic transaction records online that could be used by the government or some other entity to find out where they went and when they went there?
Do they refrain from having and using cell phones for convenience, and only use them for emergencies? GPS and cell phones . . .
I would want someone to testify (or be ready to testify) under oath in front of a Congressional committee or a judge that these anticipated vehicle mileage trackers only use GPS location data to compute mieage traveled and delete the GPS location coordinates at the earliest possible step in the calculations, preserving only the mileage numbers. That seems to me to be a reasonable expectationi of how it needs to be set up.
There are more worrisome things that most people could be concerned about, that they aren't thinking about, or even seemingly aware of.
"Teaser"[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 08-11-2021).]
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2.5
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AUG 11, 02:59 PM
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A mile based tax is bad. Bad for freedom. Bad for jobs.
In this day of pandemics...it would mass people into small areas in order to not commute far to work, moving to the city closer to jobs, it could mass more people into public transportation on their way to work.
A side note, what comes to mind also is the negative effect of how businesses and towns struggled and closed on Route 66 when freeways bypassed them, towns and communities outside of large cities where large employers are could struggle and "close".
What will it do to the cost of items that get shipped?
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2.5
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AUG 11, 03:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
There are more worrisome things that most people could be concerned about, that they aren't thinking about, or even seemingly aware of.
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Ah yes, probably why I said what I said in the post above yours. Or maybe all my other threads...
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rinselberg
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AUG 11, 03:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
A mile based tax is bad. Bad for freedom. Bad for jobs. In this day of pandemics...it would mass people into small areas in order to not commute far to work, moving to the city closer to jobs, it could mass more people into public transportation on their way to work.
A side note, what comes to mind also is the negative effect of how businesses and towns struggled and closed on Route 66 when freeways bypassed them, towns and communities outside of large cities where large employers are could struggle and "close".
What will it do to the cost of items that get shipped? |
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Gasoline taxes are not directly miles-based, but indirectly, it's partly a function of how many miles a gasoline-fueled road vehicle is driven. How much gasoline is used.
Favoring the idea of (more) urban sprawl as a countermeasure against infectious diseases . . . that's a solution that creates more problems than it alleviates.
Vaccines are your friend--not urban sprawl.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 08-11-2021).]
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sourmash
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AUG 11, 03:58 PM
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People should refrain from using bank cards, debit or otherwise. Using a debit card enriches bankers.
The goal of globalists is to push people together in cities where they are easier and cheaper to manage.
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rinselberg
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AUG 11, 04:02 PM
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No sooner do I post something about "urban sprawl" and I happen to see this in the Washington Post.
"Where America’s developed areas are growing: ‘Way off into the horizon’"
| quote | Between 2001 and 2019, the built-up landscape of America — buildings, roads and other structures — has expanded into previously undeveloped areas, adding more than 14,000 square miles of new development across the contiguous United States — an area over five times the size of Delaware.
A Washington Post analysis of data released by the U.S. Geological Survey this summer highlights where the most development has taken place. Suburbs are sprawling out in Arizona and Nevada as industries move to the Sun Belt, retirement communities are popping up in Florida as the baby boomer generation ages, and oil and natural gas wells have emerged across North Dakota and West Texas. . . . |
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Zach Levitt and Jess Eng for the Washington Post; August 11, 2021.
https://www.washingtonpost....id=hp-top-table-main
If you look for the heading "Explore growth in your area", you can enter a county name or zip code and bring up a map that shows the difference between now and 2001, in terms of areas of urban development.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 08-11-2021).]
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2.5
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AUG 11, 04:47 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Favoring the idea of (more) urban sprawl as a countermeasure against infectious diseases . . . that's a solution that creates more problems than it alleviates.
Vaccines are your friend--not urban sprawl.
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(Vaccines or not, lol) There are people living alot father out than whatever your urban sprawls limits might be, but they don't get much consideration. Case in point.
People not being crammed into metrocomplex "creates more problems"... bologna.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 11, 04:58 PM
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I'm not opposed to an infrastructure bill... but I have a few concerns and problems that I don't think anyone actually cares about:
1 - What stake do the states have in this? Cannot they foot the bill for some of these projects? Why is it being funded at the Federal level... is everything being worked a Federal road, bridge, or infrastructure project?
2 - I take issue with what the government considers "infrastructure" as half of the stuff has nothing to do with planes, trains, and automobiles... or even telecommunications.
3 - 1.2 Trillion... is an insanely high amount to spend on anything... but seems insignificant when we are looking at a 3.5 (or higher) Democrat all-expenses-paid package that's following right behind it...
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