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| Atlantic staff writer: Ford's all-electric F-150 'big deal' reducing CO2 emissions. (Page 2/3) |
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 20, 04:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Ford’s first electric pickup truck signals that decarbonization has entered a new era." Robinson Meyer for The Atlantic; May 19, 2021. https://www.theatlantic.com...ectric-truck/618932/
An excerpt:
MSNBC's Rachel Maddow shares Robinson Meyer's enthusiasm about the Ford F-150 Lightning. YouTube video content; 9 minutes. Air date May 18. https://youtu.be/ifqYWtDw0sg |
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I like the technology, and I think the truck is cool. No doubt people will buy it because of what it is and enjoy it... and I applaud Ford for making it. But the prices are not cost-effective at this point. I'm a bit more conservative in my spending since I have a child and in my early 40s. I can't see myself really spending $20k extra for basically the same thing. The more efficient of the petroleum-based options is $20k cheaper, and the gasoline cost is not much more than what the cost of electricity would be. I have several friends with Teslas, and the amount of money they spend on power is on-par with what they spent on gas. Maintenance is better up-front, but the electric cars often require battery replacement... which makes them cost prohibitive as a very long-term vehicle.
The technology is there, they just need to reduce the price a bit more and improve battery performance a bit more (higher capacity / smaller batteries to improve weight and more range). Right now, you basically pay more for the same thing and / or possibly less.
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rinselberg
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MAY 20, 05:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad: The 40% claim is interesting claim. Why don't you do a "deep dive" on how that statistic was derived? |
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That 40% is dividend evenly between Nuclear and Renewables. That is the percentage of U.S. utility-scale electricity that is being generated without releasing any significant amounts of Carbon Dioxide or other Greenhouse Gas. "Climate friendly" electrical power.
That nifty little "wall AC outlet" graph is based on numbers from the U.S. Energy Information Administration or EIA.
These numbers: https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
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Jake_Dragon
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MAY 20, 10:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Raydar:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. California can't even keep the lights on reliably, now. Wait until they add a couple of million charging stations to the mix. (From what I can gather, a charging station is about the same current loading as a clothes dryer.) Not only will they be sitting in the dark, they won't be able to leave. (Hmmm... maybe not such a bad idea at all.)
Yeah... that'll work. I'm sure of it. They're boned. |
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Or when you cant get a full charge because of the brown outs and get stranded in 405 traffic
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randye
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MAY 21, 01:57 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
Or when you cant get a full charge because of the brown outs and get stranded in 405 traffic |
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Fortunately the damn thing has a 10,000 lb. towing capacity so you can drag around a big diesel generator.
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maryjane
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MAY 21, 05:22 AM
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Nah. It rides as an option, in the back of the truck. Come with headrests with a recess cut in them (also optional) so the driver don't mess up his manbun.
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Hank is Here
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MAY 21, 01:25 PM
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Honestly the F150 plug-in hybrid seems really peaks my interest and use case! While the plug-in ins't availalbe yet the straight hybrid has nice features such as good MPG, no range anxiety, 8500Kw engerature feautre/option, 11k towing capacity. If the plug in hybrid has these featured then I may be a taker on a new F150 next year.....well that an if they offer a long bed (8' option); these 4.5, 5.5, and 6'' beds are jokes when used as trucks.
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rinselberg
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MAY 21, 02:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Hank is Here: Honestly the F150 plug-in hybrid seems really peaks my interest and use case! While the plug-in ins't availalbe yet the straight hybrid has nice features such as good MPG, no range anxiety, 8500Kw engerature feautre/option, 11k towing capacity. If the plug in hybrid has these featured then I may be a taker on a new F150 next year.....well that an if they offer a long bed (8' option); these 4.5, 5.5, and 6'' beds are jokes when used as trucks. |
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This F-150 Lightning isn't a hybrid. It's 100 percent Electric. There's no internal combustion engine or "range extender" as the hybrid terminology goes.
Hope that helps. 
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rinselberg
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MAY 22, 09:01 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Raydar: Yeah, yeah, yeah. California can't even keep the lights on reliably, now. Wait until they add a couple of million charging stations to the mix. (From what I can gather, a charging station is about the same current loading as a clothes dryer.) Not only will they be sitting in the dark, they won't be able to leave. (Hmmm... maybe not such a bad idea at all.) Yeah... that'll work. I'm sure of it. They're boned. |
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I just saw where Ford plans to have some of these vehicles available in 2022 but will not fully ramp up production until 2023. About 20,000 vehicle purchase reservations have been received by Ford for the first production run.

Big History jumps to the Biden administration's INFRASTRUCTURE aspirations, called the "American Job Plan." This is part of how it was described by Vox reporter Ella Nilsen in a column that was published on March 31:
| quote | | Invests $174 billion in the electric vehicle market, building out a network of 500,000 EV chargers on roads by 2030. The plan also calls for the electrification of 20 percent of the school bus fleet, and using federal procurement to electrify the entire federal fleet, including the US Postal Service. It also talks about giving consumers point of sale rebates and tax incentives to buy American-made electric vehicles, incorporating a plan from Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY). |
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| quote | | Invests $100 billion to modernize the nation’s electrical grid, and extend and expand the production and investment tax credits to accelerate clean energy jobs and projects in wind, solar, and other forms of renewable energy. |
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Big History segues to the official Whitehouse website and puts the magnifying glass on the American Jobs Plan FACT SHEET:
| quote | | President Biden is calling on Congress to invest $100 billion to . . . Build a more resilient electric transmission system. Through investments in the grid, we can move cheaper, cleaner electricity to where it is needed most. This starts with the creation of a targeted investment tax credit that incentivizes the buildout of at least 20 gigawatts of high-voltage capacity power lines and mobilizes tens of billions in private capital off the sidelines – right away. In addition, President Biden’s plan will establish a new Grid Deployment Authority at the Department of Energy that allows for better leverage of existing rights-of-way – along roads and railways – and supports creative financing tools to spur additional high priority, high-voltage transmission lines. |
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All just aspirational (says Captain Obvious) until an infrastructure bill emerges from Congress, but it's clearly one of the Biden administration's top priorities.
Big History examines that remark "Yeah, yeah, yeah. California can't even keep the lights on reliably, now," (at the very top here) and asks whether it is realistic to "diss" the prospects for the F-150 Lightning and for more EVs in general, based on the electricity infrastructure as it stands today, instead of the larger and more robust electricity infrastructure that the American Jobs Plan is purposed to create?
It's not just about 2022 and 2023. It's about the years from 2024 and forwards.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-23-2021).]
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sourmash
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MAY 22, 12:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg: I just saw where Ford plans to have some of these vehicles available in 2022 but will not fully ramp up production until 2023. About 20,000 vehicle purchase reservations have been received by Ford for the first production run. |
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All ordered by quasi governmental orgs that use taxpayer subsidized money or rate payer money.
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maryjane
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MAY 22, 12:56 PM
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It's up to 44,500+ pre-orders now. Tesla's 'Cybertruck' got 146,000 pre-orders the 1st day and now has 650,000 pre orders.
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