Why Does Texas Have Its Own Power Grid? (Page 2/17)
sourmash FEB 16, 07:29 PM
They didn't follow through after seeing the problem in the last major winter event.
blackrams FEB 16, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

They didn't follow through after seeing the problem in the last major winter event.



So, apparently, "they" didn't learn from the experience.....................
What's that old saying about failing to learn from history guarantees repeating it or something like that.

Rams

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rinselberg FEB 16, 10:36 PM

Dallas County Chief Executive, Judge Clay Jenkins.

The first 3 minutes of this 6-minute video segment. I don't want to walk on the man's words, but he is not singling out Wind and Solar for what's happened in Texas. He talks about the failure to winterize the energy infrastructure; especially natural gas pipelines which feed gas-powered electrical generating plants.

I don't know a thing about him, aside from what he says here.

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maryjane FEB 17, 12:06 AM
I'm doing quite well I suppose, compared to many.
Rather than type it out, I'll copy it directly into this thread as it was sent to me. ERCOT is only part of the equation. MISO has a hand in all this and has had since about 2012.
These are the messages most of us got over the past week.
Last Friday Feb 12:

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: Entergy Texas: In preparation for potential winter weather, Entergy restoration workers are ready to safely address outages should they occur. We urge you to prepare now, too. For winter storm preparation and updates, visit https://entergy.com/winterweather . Visit https://entergy.com/myadvisor for tips on how to keep your bill low during extreme cold. Thank you for being a valued customer.



Sunday Feb 14 7:18pm, just hours before the freezing rain really started down hard

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FWD: Entergy: Extreme cold is expected over the next few days resulting in high electricity demand. We have taken steps to prepare and protect our assets from the extreme cold as part of our winter weather preparations, as well as placing additional power generation into service. Please do your part to help by taking a few easy steps to conserve energy.


We were forecast to get 3-5-8 inches of snow and ice. Turned out closer to 2-3 inches for my immediate area, with most of it being ice Sunday night/early Monday morning Power went out Monday morning around 5:30am and immediately received a text from our electric provider that rolling blackouts would go into effect to "protect the grid".


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Entergy: We were notified by our grid operator, MISO, to begin periodic power outages to maintain the safety and stability of the power grid. We will update you as soon as we have more information on the outage duration. We apologize for the inconvenience. We are working to repair damages and restore our system to normal grid operations as soon as possible. For information, go to https://etrviewoutage.com[/quote]

Who or what is MISO?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...dent_System_Operator
https://www.researchgate.ne...wer_System_Economics


Roads are mostly open and cell service is mostly restored now (which is where I get internet) and electric service is coming back on line out here in the rural areas, but much of the Houstonb Metroplex is still without electric power (over 1 million without power as of 9pm tonight) and temps will drop again tonight with more freezing rain expected in the early hours of Wed.
I'm on my own generator power and I do have some frozen pipes but I don't think anything too serious. It will be back to normal for most in my county and region this weekend, and like we do after a hurricane, we will just pick up the pieces, repair as needed and go on with life.

Much of Texas power generation used to be powered by (in my adult lifetime) Coal, nat gas and liquid petroleum products but much of that has been shut down by the greenies and supposedly to be replaced by wind and solar. In spite of what Democratic politicians like Judge Jenkins may say, the lack of conventional electric energy production in Texas is a huge culprit in this debacle.

rinselberg FEB 17, 03:23 AM
"Frozen Wind Farms Are Just a Small Piece of Texas’s Power Woes"

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“The performance of wind and solar is way down the list among the smaller factors in the disaster that we’re facing,” Daniel Cohan, associate professor of environmental engineering at Rice University, said in an interview. Blaming renewables for the blackouts “is really a red herring.”


Will Wade, Naureen S Malik and Brian Eckhouse for Bloomberg Green; updated February 16, 2021.
https://www.bloomberg.com/n...ower-woes?srnd=green


MSNBC's Chris Hayes was "on it" for just over 7 minutes on Tuesday evening.

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"It is just a lie that wind turbines, 'green energy' are the root causes of the problems in Texas right now,” says Chris Hayes, discussing the right wing attempt to turn Texas power outages into a culture war. Aired on 02/16/2021.


If someone wanted to have any of this, I suggest using this link which queues it partway through, starting from the 3:55 mark.
https://youtu.be/-96D-H3M0a8?t=235

At the 4:30 mark, he presents some of that same brief report from Bloomberg Green.

I generally prefer the drier, laser-focused acerbity of Lawrence O'Donnell or the top drawer lawyerly precision of Ari Melber, but the ever passionate Chris Hayes is on his game here when he compares Texas to another state and another country that are both sizably invested in wind power and are no strangers to fierce winter weather: namely Iowa and Denmark.

Here's the entire segment.

https://youtu.be/-96D-H3M0a8

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maryjane FEB 17, 05:56 AM
Everything you posted and linked to are leftist hacks with a leftist narrative and history.
blackrams FEB 17, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Everything you posted and linked to are leftist hacks with a leftist narrative and history.




For some reason Gomer Pyle just jumped into my head. Surprise, SURPRISE!!!!
(Just doesn't come out the same typed)

Glad you're doing as well as you are. Stay warm. Hell ain't froze over yet.

Rams
sourmash FEB 17, 09:28 AM
He won't ever learn anything. All his 'sources' are NPC echo chamber hacks & shills regurgitating prepackaged establishment pablum.

You gain perspective from counterpoints and dissenting opinions, not the establishment agenda he copies and pastes. We only get pablum from corporate outlets. He cleans their stall and shovels it here.
rinselberg FEB 17, 10:39 AM
The "culture wars" part of that video segment--that's the chaff, not the kernel. That's why I suggested that if anyone actually was going to play the video, that they pick it up at the 3:55 mark. To skip past the "culture wars" part of it.

The brief report in Bloomberg Green is more focused than the video, and likely anyone would be able to see it as a "freebie" even if they don't have an online subscription to Bloomberg Green. That very small fractional percentage (about 99.999 percent) of Pennock's forum members and lurkers who have not paid for an online subscription to Bloomberg Green.

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maryjane FEB 17, 10:41 AM
My explanation of my own area may seem a bit odd but the short story is that not all of Texas and not all electric energy producers signed on to ERCOT.
Mine did not, but did sign on to Mid Continent Independent System Operator's grid, (MISO) which takes in a very large region from Texas up into parts of Canada so MISO operators have a larger source of power to draw from.

The Houston metro area's provider is mostly CenterPoint Energy which is on ERCOT. Centerpoint is a company that used to be called Houston Light and Power.

Entergy is made up of several older companies too, among them being Gulf States Utilities Texas.

https://www.misoenergy.org/about/



https://thehill.com/policy/...announces-retirement

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Of the three regions in the U.S. power grid, Texas has the least amount of generating capacity, totaling 123 GW as of October 2017. Since 2008, most retirements in Texas were generators that used natural gas steam and petroleum technologies. During that period, a total of 35% of Texas natural gas-fired steam turbine capacity and 66% of petroleum capacity retired. Coal retirements totaling 532 megawatts (MW) accounted for 2% of total installed coal capacity in Texas. However, Texas is expected to have 5,583 MW of coal retirements in 2018, based on planned retirement dates reported to EIA.

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https://www.uschamber.com/s...winning-the-war-coal

The leftists will claim it was econmics, not mandates that caused the shutdowns but that simply isn't always true. A case of saying something often enough and loud enough hoping some will see it as true.

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