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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 10, 06:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
I think you are misunderstanding "Freedom of Speech" here... There is absolutely no way that "Freedom of Speech" can be impeded by a private business that offers a platform for end users to use to express their various viewpoints. Freedom of speech, also called free speech, means the free and public expression of opinions without censorship, interference and restraint by the government. Private entities as defined in my previous statement are not a part of that. Cliff can ban you from here because you said Happy Birthday to someone, if he wanted to, and that is not a violation of Freedom of Speech. With that in mind, applying that to Facebook, Twitter, etc, as you outlined in your comment is not viable.
When I said "cease to exist as it does today", I didn't say it would disappear. What that means is that all of these sites that allow you to express your opinion would have to start heavily policing the content. There goes the "Freedom of Speech" you just complained about. The slightest misinterpretation of a statement you make could result in your account being banned simply so they avoid any trouble. Section 230 is necessary in order to allow you and I have to have a conversation such as this without putting the website we are choosing to use at risk of prosecution because one of us says something that is potentially illegal. If Cliff were in the US and the site were hosted here, he'd be at risk of being prosecuted for the content you or I posted that was illegal. Instead, with Section 230, the US Government can go after you or I for the content by reaching out to Cliff to get our IP Address as part of a discovery and investigation process, and Cliff as the site owner would be safe. He's not in the US, so therefor this is not a risk for him. . |
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Ignoring this whole part because I don't think you have read what I said and are making assumptions. If you re-read, I state several times that companies can do what they want as private entities. 230 granted companies and people the right to freedom of speech. Meaning that companies (and people) can say things and companies cannot get fined for it. Freedom of Speech. Companies are treated as persons. 230 grants companies freedom of speech. I was saying it was ironic because they are using 230 as a cover to regulate other's speech. But if you read everything I've said above... I've already made it clear that all of us acknowledge that companies can do what they want.
| quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
Violation of an organizations terms of service and being kicked off the service is not "persecution". AWS is not in competition with Parler, but Parler's content by its users directly violates AWS' terms of service. AWS has every right to kick Parler off of their service. Section 230 allows Parler to not be sued by the US Government because people on Parler are calling for violence in the Capitol on Inauguration Day. Google and Apple's Terms of Service were violated by Parler. Apple's letter to Parler that explicitly calls out the various sections that were violated. This may be somethin that is not being enforced equally, but I don't know of any other right-centric social media platforms that have no moderation process to remove threats of violence, which are not subject to Freedom of Speech protections. WeMe is another right-centric platform, but I am not familiar with their terms of service or moderation process. |
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I'm not going to litigate it here for you. You're not a lawyer, I don't even know if you've even been in court. I've served several times as an expert witness in Federal court w/ cybersecurity law and personally IRAC'ed multiple cases for an appeal (defending the Government), so let's cool the inflection you're giving (if that's unintentional, then I take it back).
As I said, there are two things going on, but both are based in the same idea:
1 - Trump can possibly file a suit for injury based on mistreatment... that is, he's being targeted and / or the company is not following their own guidelines (likely to fail though).
2 - Parler can file an lawsuit against Apple and Google stating that they are being unfairly targeted. Companies are people.
In both cases, these companies are not fairly implementing their own terms of service. For example, every dictator in the world has an account on Twitter. Ayatollah has nearly 11 accounts, one for every language that his statements are shared in. Most of his comments are about death to America, or the extermination of Jews. Likewise, every terrorist organization has an account... as I said, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Boko Haram, Al-Shabab, Hamas, and several others... including their millions of followers, all of whom may from time to time post videos of beheadings that they themselves have committed, as well as rape and other atrocities. These accounts remain, most of which aren't even given a warning. Twitter is clearly violating the terms of service of both Google and Apple stores to a substantially more degree than Parler is. I fully expect Parler to be allowed back on both stores. I don't expect Trump to win anything, if he even files a suit.
| quote | Originally posted by Synthesis:
Facebook is very right-centric.I know who Jack Dorsey is. I've met the man multiple times as the CEO of the organization I used to work for is good friends with him. He's a nice guy. As for Twitter being far left radical, I'd really love for you to provide evidence to back up your words. |
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I'm curious what you're doing with that link? I clicked on it. It doesn't say anything at all like you are suggesting. The article talks about a program that they were looking to implement that they decided not to use because Zuckerberg said he was losing interest in the topic and didn't want to regulate content and how users communicated with each other. About the only thing I can find in there is that they had implemented a program that, "while proposals in the US would affect conservatives it would [also] affect opposite groups in other countries," so they didn't use it. No where in that article does it even reference (at all) about being right-wing biased in any way. Matter of fact, it states it's entirely neutral, with an emphasis on at least at one time, wanting to regulate some Conservative speech.
As for Twitter, not sure how you come to that conclusion, but I think what's going on right now is a clear example of liberal bias. They've literally removed nearly 100+ Conservative talking heads, the least of which is the President.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 01-10-2021).]
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JAN 10, 07:41 PM
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Oops
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-10-2021).]
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blackrams
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JAN 10, 07:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
You folks are way ahead of me on this topic.
But what I have noted is Twitter stock is dropping in value. This is something I consider a good thing.
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[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-10-2021).]
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Wichita
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JAN 10, 08:22 PM
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We are basically seeing a repeat of the Stanford Prison Experiment.
The left has been embolden with election victories, companies fall in line so they aren't targets of their ire. Tech social companies know that they need 230 to keep their dominance. The left has always wanted to and will silence dissenting voices and they have no tolerance to others who are not left. This cumulated to what we are seeing now. We have yet to see the beginnings of the left to begin their auschwitz for those that are not woke.
It isn't a surprise, but it is deeply saddening. As we will be living in a hyper left-narrative driven information world for quite some time. At least till the old guards die off and the Gen-Xers take their place. So this will go on for about 10-years or so, then we will start seeing a reversal towards rationalism and greater freedoms and tolerance. But it will be a hard 10 or so years for many people, especially those who are boomers or getting ready to retire.
Everyone else will also have to walk in a Stasi environment too, but will outlast them, so just have to keep your heads up and do what those under Nazi / Communist rule did. Secret meetings, messages, books and etc will be in place in an underground environment. If you are caught not subscribing to woke or speaking against woke, you will be doxxed, fired from your job, stripped of your working credentials and financially ruined. So be very careful who you mingle with or who you call your friend. Stasi's are already abound in our world.
I wouldn't join any groups that are public policy vocal or are politically charged. Also, be careful on social media. Also, be aware that there are people here on PFF that would take great pleasure in seeing any of your conservatives lives to be ruined, so remember that even on here, the Stasi and Woke Police are trolling PFF as well. It isn't just limited to Twitter and FB.
In the far future, when we all survive all of this irrationality of the woke and left, we must all take the moral high road and not get tempted in turning the tables on them like they did on everyone else. Sure, we will have our Nuremberg Trials on those that committed the most heinous crimes against their fellow citizens, but those that are nobodies but participated as Stasis, it's best to forgive and let it be. Don't be like them. Be rational and logical.
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sourmash
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JAN 10, 08:41 PM
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Spot on post. As it gets worse, you gotta adapt to a different tactic. And even when one of us gets picked off it shows who the people are who did it and everyone learns something about both involved.
We've already got the railroading going on. Not sure what you think about Julian Assange or Edward Snowden, but those are 2 who they want gone. Really surprised Edward is still alive.
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maryjane
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JAN 10, 09:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
We are basically seeing a repeat of the Stanford Prison Experiment.
The left has been embolden with election victories, companies fall in line so they aren't targets of their ire. Tech social companies know that they need 230 to keep their dominance. The left has always wanted to and will silence dissenting voices and they have no tolerance to others who are not left. This cumulated to what we are seeing now. We have yet to see the beginnings of the left to begin their auschwitz for those that are not woke.
It isn't a surprise, but it is deeply saddening. As we will be living in a hyper left-narrative driven information world for quite some time. At least till the old guards die off and the Gen-Xers take their place. So this will go on for about 10-years or so, then we will start seeing a reversal towards rationalism and greater freedoms and tolerance. But it will be a hard 10 or so years for many people, especially those who are boomers or getting ready to retire.
Everyone else will also have to walk in a Stasi environment too, but will outlast them, so just have to keep your heads up and do what those under Nazi / Communist rule did. Secret meetings, messages, books and etc will be in place in an underground environment. If you are caught not subscribing to woke or speaking against woke, you will be doxxed, fired from your job, stripped of your working credentials and financially ruined. So be very careful who you mingle with or who you call your friend. Stasi's are already abound in our world.
I wouldn't join any groups that are public policy vocal or are politically charged. Also, be careful on social media. Also, be aware that there are people here on PFF that would take great pleasure in seeing any of your conservatives lives to be ruined, so remember that even on here, the Stasi and Woke Police are trolling PFF as well. It isn't just limited to Twitter and FB.
In the far future, when we all survive all of this irrationality of the woke and left, we must all take the moral high road and not get tempted in turning the tables on them like they did on everyone else. Sure, we will have our Nuremberg Trials on those that committed the most heinous crimes against their fellow citizens, but those that are nobodies but participated as Stasis, it's best to forgive and let it be. Don't be like them. Be rational and logical. |
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I've heard that Sooo many times in my life thru different ordeals and eras and yet, here we all STILL are.
Odd, how each generation thinks they are going thru something completely new and they alone have the answers.
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Wichita
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JAN 10, 09:40 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
I've heard that Sooo many times in my life thru different ordeals and eras and yet, here we all STILL are.
Odd, how each generation thinks they are going thru something completely new and they alone have the answers. |
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Ok.
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sourmash
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JAN 10, 09:51 PM
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And they've been saying the national debt just keeps getting worse since I was a kid too. I'm sure it'll be fine.
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maryjane
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JAN 10, 10:27 PM
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The most recent living things that could accurately and prophetically say 'it's the end of the world as we know it'
for ALL the rest of 'us':
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GTGeff
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JAN 10, 11:02 PM
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