House Judiciary Democrats ask Pence to invoke 25th Amendment to remove Trump (Page 2/5)
olejoedad JAN 07, 01:37 PM
"Nothing is off the table" - Sen. Chuck Schumer

"Never let a crisis go to waste" - Rahm Emmanuel
Monkeyman JAN 07, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Geez Louise! Just 13 days left, what in hell are these people so afraid of?




I'm neither a Trump nor Biden fan but they're worried Trump won't peacefully leave the office on the 20th. They're right to think that as Trump has said numerous times that he won't go quietly.
cvxjet JAN 07, 01:56 PM
“Here’s the truth: The president caused this. The president is unfit, and the president is unwell,” Kinzinger said, addressing conspiracy theorists who joined in the mob breaching the Capitol.

I know you don't want to hear this, but Kinzinger is a REPUBLICAN.....
GTGeff JAN 07, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Geez Louise! Just 13 days left, what in hell are these people so afraid of?





Discussion this morning on the local news station was that invoking the 25th to remove him from office would disqualify him from running for re-election in 2024. I do no know if that is true or not.
williegoat JAN 07, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by GTGeff:


Discussion this morning on the local news station was that invoking the 25th to remove him from office would disqualify him from running for re-election in 2024. I do no know if that is true or not.


Because they are afraid the American people might make the "wrong choice" again.
Patrick JAN 07, 03:19 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Because they are afraid the American people might make the "wrong choice" again.



There is NO chance that Donald J Trump will ever get elected as POTUS again. Absolutely no chance. Zip, Zilch, Nada.

If anyone would care to bet $100(US) against my claim, to be paid into Cliff Pennock's Beer Fund, now's the time to speak up.

And if Cliff Pennock would agree to this, I suggest a permanent banishment from PFF to the loser of this bet if payment is not made within 30 days of the conclusion of the next US presidential election.
rinselberg JAN 07, 03:42 PM
I'm not that enthused about the idea of truncating Trump's presidency by a few days by invoking the 25th Amendment. I'm not any more enthused about the idea of the House passing new articles of Impeachment against him.

I think they ought to convene one of the House committees and invite Alec Baldwin to reprise his SNL "Trump" character. Alec Baldwin and some of the current SNL cast. That should garner some prime time TV coverage from the likes of NBC News, CNN, MSNBC ...
theBDub JAN 07, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by GTGeff:


Discussion this morning on the local news station was that invoking the 25th to remove him from office would disqualify him from running for re-election in 2024. I do no know if that is true or not.



I do not believe this is correct. The 25th just invokes an emergency takeaway, which Trump can then appeal. Impeachment is the only thing that can disqualify him from future federal positions.
blackrams JAN 07, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


I do not believe this is correct. The 25th just invokes an emergency takeaway, which Trump can then appeal. Impeachment is the only thing that can disqualify him from future federal positions.



Without further research, I believe you are correct. If I remember correctly, the VP and cabinet would have to agree and the president would have 5 days to contest it with the two houses of congress agreeing but, working off of memory and I really don't trust that.
I believe there is also a way for the two houses to try but, I'd have to research it and to be honest, I'm not interested in wasting my time doing that when I know it's not going to happen.

Oh hell, I got curious. I don't normally consider the Washington Post a good source but, that's all the effort I'm putting into it.
How the 25th Amendment to the Constitution works: A simplified look
https://nypost.com/article/...nt-works-simplified/

Rams

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Blacktree JAN 07, 04:47 PM
The 25th Amendment says nothing about the President being unfit for election. It only describes procedures for removal from office, and reinstatement. Here is the full text:


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25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Section 1
In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2
Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3
Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.


If you add up the numbers, it could take almost a month to remove a President against their will. President Trump only has 13 days left.