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randye
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DEC 22, 09:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
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Yet it always seems to be in those most hopeless of places that the strongest enduring faith in God arises and abides.
Not surprisingly, that is also where the birth of Christ occurred, in a poor, hopeless and oppressive place and time.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 12-22-2020).]
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MidEngineManiac
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DEC 22, 09:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Man understands how life works, but cannot create it.
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I've got an ex who disagrees with you and collected for 20 years over that disagreement. 
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Patrick
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DEC 22, 10:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Yet it always seems to be in those most hopeless of places that the strongest enduring faith in God arises and abides.
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When you've got (literally) nothing to lose, why not put your faith in a miracle? IMO, it's an easy sell.
From my relatively privileged vantage point, I can't accept that a loving God would permit human beings to exist in such squalid conditions. Why allow the misery, if One is all powerful?
My questions are basically rhetorical. I have no desire for an extended debate... as these type of "discussions" only end badly.
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sourmash
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DEC 22, 10:12 PM
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Heard a pastor describe it from the aspect of Central Americans where they went where the people were really partially living off of a garbage dump, but they were always smiling and praising God.
When you can't lift yourself out of that place you look to something to help rescue you. The people without the need, look to themselves as the reason they're where they are.
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olejoedad
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DEC 22, 11:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
It might make a difference whose eyes are being looked through. I thank my lucky stars everyday that I've been so fortunate.
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That we agree on.
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2.5
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DEC 23, 11:27 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I endured that for just over a minute.
...I don't see it as an answerable question.
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Thumbs up for trying.
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2.5
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DEC 23, 11:40 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
It might make a difference whose eyes are being looked through. I thank my lucky stars everyday that I've been so fortunate.
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When you've got (literally) nothing to lose, why not put your faith in a miracle? IMO, it's an easy sell.
From my relatively privileged vantage point, I can't accept that a loving God would permit human beings to exist in such squalid conditions. Why allow the misery, if One is all powerful?
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Some light shed on it perhaps, alot of details in here:
https://www.fh.org/2020/04/...e-of-needle-meaning/
One snippet: "If wealth obscures our view of God, poverty can bring sharp clarity."
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olejoedad
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DEC 23, 03:15 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
That we agree on.
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I feel I must clarify the quoted statement, made as a response to a post from Patrick.
I agree that I am so fortunate to be where and when I am.
But, those squalid conditions are the work of Man, not the Creator.
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Patrick
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DEC 23, 03:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
But, those squalid conditions are the work of Man, not the Creator.
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It's one thing for a man to reap what he sows... but to be born into squalor, to be born into intolerable conditions... this is the fault of the new individual? A loving God simply looks the other way and allows this misery to continue? I just cannot accept the rationale to substantiate that belief.
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maryjane
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DEC 23, 03:37 PM
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John 12:8
There will always be the poor among us. (paraphrased)
People looking for perfection in religion won't find it on this Earth. There are many storms, obstacles, and inequities placed in front of us to test faith. Seeing the poor is but one of them.
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