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cvxjet
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NOV 07, 12:25 AM
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I hear a bunch of....crap from the liberal tree-huggers in the bay area; We must "Never harm any animal", etc.......
We are here- and anywhere we are (All over the earth) we are modifying the environment- so, we both have to take care of it and use it (But wisely)...definitely "Do not crap where you eat"....This is (As far as I know) the only planet we have!
We have way too many deer in N.Ca- and WA, OR, etc....Some say bring back the Griz and wolf...I agree with bringing back some limited wolves- but not Grizzly bears- they are almost impossible to deal with. Having some up in Glacier NP is OK, but in populated areas- even sparsely- is very dangerous...Read about the "Night of the Grizzlies" in Glacier NP back in 1967.
I am not a hunter, but I believe that we need (Properly managed) hunting to limit populations of different animals, including but not limited to Elk/Deer/Turkey....We have hunting seasons in CA but I think they could be expanded.
If you sit in a nice "Safe" city you have no understanding of what it is like in the outdoors/mountains.....Truthfully, educate yourselves so you can vote intelligently (I know, who'd think that you would have to actually be intelligent to vote...)
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rinselberg
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NOV 07, 06:59 AM
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I am unclear as to how and why this was put up for a statewide popular vote, instead of just being an administrative decision by the relevant agencies within Colorado state government.
I expect it would be a non-trivial research project to sort through the history of it.
I don't see any implication here that people or particularly people in the more urbanized areas are willfully ignoring or going against the recommendations of scientists and other subject matter experts. It's just that the idea was put up for a statewide popular vote.
I don't know anything about "The Verge" other than it is an online magazine, but there is a fairly brief article about the Gray Wolves Reintroduction project that makes it sound like a "win win" all the way around.
"Gray Wolves win in historic Colorado election"
Justine Calma for The Verge; November 6, 2020.
https://www.theverge.com/20...istoric-conservation
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Hudini
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NOV 07, 07:19 AM
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The Verge is part of Vox Media. Edgy libertarian to start, now woke progressive.
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maryjane
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NOV 07, 07:22 AM
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"makes it sound like" is the important part.
Actions have consequences and when the actions are approved and implemented by those least apt to suffer any consequences or even hear about those consequences, much less give a **** about them.
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rinselberg
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NOV 07, 07:56 AM
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2020 Colorado Proposition 114 - Restore Grey Wolves Election Results
https://www.telegram.com/el..._initiative-CO-7699/
The vote is broken out for each county in Colorado.
Denver County shows more than 300,000 votes total, and "Yes on Wolves" carried by almost a two-thirds majority.
Yuma County cast 4600 votes, and "Yes on Wolves" came in at just 18 percent.
There's a tabular presentation, and for people who are well versed in Colorado's county-level geography, an interactive map presentation. I say well versed, because there's nothing on the map except the outlines of the counties.
| quote | In the state of Colorado, a citizen ballot initiative to reintroduce gray wolves (Canis lupus) is eliciting polarization and conflict among multiple stakeholder and interest groups. Given this complex social landscape, we examined the social context surrounding wolf reintroduction in Colorado as of 2019. We used an online survey of 734 Coloradans representative in terms of age and gender, and we sampled from different regions across the state, to examine public beliefs and attitudes related to wolf reintroduction and various wolf management options. We also conducted a content analysis of media coverage on potential wolf reintroduction in 10 major daily Colorado newspapers from January 2019, when the signature-gathering effort for the wolf reintroduction initiative began, through the end of January 2020, when the initiative was officially added to the ballot.
Our findings suggest a high degree of social tolerance or desire for wolf reintroduction in Colorado across geographies, stakeholder groups, and demographics.
However, we also find that a portion of the public believes that wolves would negatively impact their livelihoods, primarily because of concerns over the safety of people and pets, loss of hunting opportunities, and potential wolf predation on livestock. These concerns—particularly those related to livestock losses—are strongly reflected in the media. We find that media coverage has focused only on a few of the many perceived positive and negative impacts of wolf reintroduction identified among the public. Our findings highlight the need to account for this diversity of perspectives in future decisions and to conduct public outreach regarding likely impacts of wolf reintroduction. |
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Who dat say?
"Public perspectives and media reporting of wolf reintroduction in Colorado"
Rebecca Niemiec et al; research published in "Biodiversity and Conservation"; May 7, 2020.
https://peerj.com/articles/9074/#p-37
I guess this would be "news" if it were known in Yuma County.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-07-2020).]
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maryjane
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NOV 07, 08:08 AM
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"I say well versed, because there's nothing on the map except the outlines of the counties."
And that's exactly how city people view rural areas and regions...just big empty spaces.
The reality is that there were 265,393 cows and calves in Yuma county Co when the last USDA Ag census was taken (2017), and total cattle (mostly calves) sales that year of $6,171,470. Total livestock sales that year was $7.2 million.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 11-07-2020).]
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WBailey1041
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NOV 07, 01:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
"I say well versed, because there's nothing on the map except the outlines of the counties."
And that's exactly how city people view rural areas and regions...just big empty spaces.
The reality is that there were 265,393 cows and calves in Yuma county Co when the last USDA Ag census was taken (2017), and total cattle (mostly calves) sales that year of $6,171,470. Total livestock sales that year was $7.2 million.
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And the population of humans was 3460 in 2018.
Wonder how many folks in Denver and Boulder those 3460 in Yuma FEED!
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blackrams
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NOV 07, 03:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
We have way too many deer in N.Ca- and WA, OR, etc....Some say bring back the Griz and wolf...I agree with bringing back some limited wolves- but not Grizzly bears- they are almost impossible to deal with. Having some up in Glacier NP is OK, but in populated areas- even sparsely- is very dangerous...Read about the "Night of the Grizzlies" in Glacier NP back in 1967.
I am not a hunter, but I believe that we need (Properly managed) hunting to limit populations of different animals, including but not limited to Elk/Deer/Turkey....We have hunting seasons in CA but I think they could be expanded.
If you sit in a nice "Safe" city you have no understanding of what it is like in the outdoors/mountains.....Truthfully, educate yourselves so you can vote intelligently (I know, who'd think that you would have to actually be intelligent to vote...) |
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Ya know, you may have just produce the answer to several problems. Not sure where you live precisely but, I can see turning Grizzly Bears and wolves loose in the SF area of CA and getting a positive result from it. 
Rams
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OldsFiero
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NOV 10, 08:03 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by WBailey1041:
And the population of humans was 3460 in 2018.
Wonder how many folks in Denver and Boulder those 3460 in Yuma FEED! |
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Couldn't have said it better.
Marc
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rinselberg
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NOV 10, 10:11 AM
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I singled out Yuma County from the list of Colorado counties to contrast with Denver (county) as far as the voting For or Against the Wolf Reintroduction Project.
I did that without knowing its geography, but I just checked. Yuma County is as far eastwards as there is, within Colorado. It shares its eastern border with Nebraska and Kansas.
The Wolf Restoration project is going to be on the western slope of the Rocky Mountains, and so, on the opposite (western) side of the state of Colorado.
That's just a fact--or a factoid. Depending on your perspective.
One of the "movers and shakers" that put the Wolf Reintroduction Project on the Colorado 2020 general elections ballot is Colorado state senator Mike Phillips, of the Democratic Party persuasion.
"Mike Phillips--Audacious Goals, Relentless Action"
Mountain and Prairie podcast web page; undated but recent.
https://mountainandprairie.com/mike-phillips/
"West Slope anti-wolf coalition forms"
Thomas Phippen for the Post Independent, serving Glenwood Springs and Garfield County, CO; January 20, 2019.
https://www.postindependent...olf-coalition-forms/
"Initiative 107 and the case for returning gray wolves to Colorado"
Alicita Rodriguez for University of Colorado at Denver; October 29, 2019.
https://news.ucdenver.edu/t...-wolves-to-colorado/
And this concludes today's "Hour of the Wolf" News.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-10-2020).]
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