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Patrick
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OCT 27, 06:49 PM
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cliffw
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OCT 27, 08:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Contact tracing clearly shows that COVID-19 infections among people frequenting bars and nightclubs are much higher than among patrons of grocery stores and even restaurants.
What else would you like to know? 
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Where do you get this information ? Contact tracing is scant to non existent. My wife had Covid. No tracing. I think contact tracing is kind of useless. At most I think it lets others who you have been around get themselves get tested.
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MidEngineManiac
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OCT 27, 08:38 PM
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Some (not all) places you go want your name and phone number so they have a log of who was there on any given day, and a lot are using the gooby-tits tracing app.
(Hi, my name is Joe Dolche, my number is 867-5309, now shaddupa you face) 
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Patrick
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OCT 27, 08:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Contact tracing is scant to non existent.
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Maybe where you are it is... which might help explain why the US is among top three countries in the world with the highest number of COVID-19 infections.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 10-27-2020).]
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maryjane
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OCT 27, 09:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
So, based on that, what is the answer to my question? |
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I doubt there is much difference in the 2 profession's casualty rate, tho that isn't why bars are shut down.
Bars are shut down because of poor behavior of the customers, that spread infection among themselves, then go out into the rest of the public world and over the next 2-3 weeks, spread it to everyone else they come in close contact with. not to protect the bartenders.
Once inside, they throw out any semblance of social distancing (or common sense) and of course probably don't wear a mask any farther than a foot inside the front door.
What I've seen inside grocery stores, social distancing is still very much in effect and way more common than not, as is the wearing of masks.
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williegoat
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OCT 27, 09:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
I doubt there is much difference in the 2 profession's casualty rate, tho that isn't why bars are shut down.
Bars are shut down because of poor behavior of the customers, that spread infection among themselves, then go out into the rest of the public world and over the next 2-3 weeks, spread it to everyone else they come in close contact with. not to protect the bartenders.
Once inside, they throw out any semblance of social distancing (or common sense) and of course probably don't wear a mask any farther than a foot inside the front door.
What I've seen inside grocery stores, social distancing is still very much in effect and way more common than not, as is the wearing of masks.
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I chose bartenders as an example because they are not working (for the most part) and are not exposed to the public, as opposed to grocery workers who are exposed to a broad cross section of the general public in large numbers. Based on that I would expect grocery workers to have an above average infection rate. I know that health care workers a highly susceptible for obvious reasons. I was just wondering about exposure and transmission through various demographic groups, probably because I was just at the grocery store.
I know there is data that breaks it down by age, geographical location, etc, but I can't seem to find any data that breaks it down in such a way that might sate my curiosity.
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maryjane
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OCT 27, 09:52 PM
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Texas has about 4,000 contact tracers employed, but they have run into a lot of trouble actually getting information from those who have tested positive, and even more stubbornness from those they are trying to notify that may have been exposed by the contact.
| quote | Let's talk about the issue of trust. When you call people and say, tell me everybody you've had close contact with in the last few days, are they willing to share that information?
Michael Osur: They're willing to tell us about their family contacts, who lives in the house. But they're not willing to share their friends, who they saw, the stores they went to. And that's been a huge problem because much of our spread has been through those informal barbecues, get-togethers and other places these people have been that we are having a hard time tracking down.
Elya Franciscus: It's the same thing in Harris County. ... They'll say, oh, "I went to a party and there were 30 people, but I'm not going to give you their names." When we try to get into the nitty-gritty ... "what bar did you go to?" they won't tell us because then they're afraid we're going to shut that bar down.
Local Public Health Workers Report Hostile Threats And Fears About Contact Tracing
SHOTS - HEALTH NEWS
Local Public Health Workers Report Hostile Threats And Fears About Contact Tracing
Do you run into that sort of thing, one in 10 calls, half the calls? Can you quantify it?
Franciscus: I would say for Harris County is upwards of 50%. I would say half are very cooperative. Another 25% are semi-cooperative and the other 25% are absolutely unwilling to share anything. There's so much misinformation being put out right now. Our contact tracers are being called names; they're being cursed at, derogatory language is being used, because there [have] been seeds of mistrust thrown into the community. ... They think that the numbers are inflated. We've heard multiple people say that we're getting paid to make up results. So it's so difficult to combat all of this.
Osur: Most of the businesses will be very cooperative. But some of the businesses that hire the food processors or the farm workers, they are completely uncooperative and have told their staff who are positive if they cooperate with us, they'll be terminated. So we have two or three businesses that have had major outbreaks that we can't get into at all. And that's been a huge problem. |
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morons abound.
The original (in April) Tx Dept of Health and Human Services' contract with MTX company was poorly run, suspiciously awarded by the state, and had very little guidance but worked pretty good while the state was in lockdown, but once the state mostly opened back up in Late May, and the case load #s exploded from mid June thru most of July and currently, both MTX and individual county tracers have been deluged with just too many cases to keep up.
Gov Abbott reopened most of the state around May 1 when the total cases were around 31,000, and new daily cases were averaging 1,100.
Within weeks those numbers doubled, (July 15, there were 13,000 daily new cases) then tripled and current #s are 927,518 total cases since February and yesterday's new cases were right at 7,000.
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williegoat
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OCT 27, 09:55 PM
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Its tough to dig down to the truth because so many react emotionally, assume an agenda and choose a side.
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randye
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OCT 27, 09:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Your question is flawed.
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
It would save everyone a lot of pointless arguing if you would just say "I don't know" |
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NEVER allow a Leftist to reframe your question for you.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 10-27-2020).]
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williegoat
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OCT 27, 09:58 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
NEVER allow a Leftist to reframe your question for you. |
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You can see what I posted at the same time that you posted this.
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