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Jake_Dragon OCT 13, 07:07 PM
I was sitting at a light when a truck decided to make a sandwich out of me and the jeep in front of me.
The mask didn't help. Still hurts today.
Rickady88GT OCT 13, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

I was sitting at a light when a truck decided to make a sandwich out of me and the jeep in front of me.
The mask didn't help. Still hurts today.



That sux, sorry man.
Life itself is a risk, I once heard some crazy statistics about serious and fatal injuries that happen inside people own homes.
randye OCT 13, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:


I have been in very close proximity and MANY times direct contact with carriers for the last 6 months, I test negative once a week. There is a big difference between being paranoid and cautious.




The proper word is not paranoid.

The correct words are HYPOCHONDRIA and NOSEMAPHOBIA

One of the things this panicdemic has exposed is how many people in our society are extreme HYPOCHONDRIACS and NOSOPHOBICS

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Rickady88GT OCT 13, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by randye:


The proper word is not paranoid.

The correct words are HYPOCHONDRIA and NOSEMAPHOBIA

One of the things this panicdemic has exposed is how many people in our society are extreme HYPOCHONDRIACS and NOSOPHOBICS




LOL, I guess I have never been an artist or authority of words.
randye OCT 14, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:


LOL, I guess I have never been an artist or authority of words.



I wasn't being critical of you.....but you knew that

I also knew what you meant, but applying a little better definition to what's obviously going on doesn't hurt.

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maryjane OCT 14, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:


There is a lot in this post so to just simplify my response I will say risk is risk. We can't control what other people do any more than we can control the vid.
I believe my metaphors are accurate in relation to risk of driving and risk of going out into the public that now has covid. Drunk drivers have killed MANY cautious and experienced defensive drivers, the choice to not crash is not always ours just like we can't make the virus stay in other people.
But in ALL situations driving or dinning out, on a highway or a walk way be careful, be cautious and stay safe. If you do not feel comfortable out in public, stay home, just the same for people who have a phobia of cars, stay out of them.
This is in no way a jab at anyone.



Auto accidents and risk of deth on the highways is just a poor comparison. Apples to oranges.
Think about all the things we (and the govt) do and has done tho, to make driving safer over the last 30+ years.
Seat belts.*
Collapsible steering columns.*
Air bags*.
SBS brakes*.
Electronic stability control.
Shatter resistant glass*.
power brakes and power steering.
Go far enough back, and you will know that even speed limits are there to protect us from each other and ourselves.*

Currently optional but will eventually be at least partially mandated:
Forward collision warning/avoidance.
Automatic emergency braking.
Left turn collision avoidance.
bicycle avoidance/detection.
Pedestrian detection/braking.

* mandated by law. These are enforceable either thru observance by police or at vehicle inspection stations, all for our safety and they work. Have saved countless thousands of lives since being implemented.

Balance those against the fact there are no real laws or orders that can be (or could be but are not) enforced in regards to distancing or masks or even quarantines.
Lockdowns would be all but un-necessary if the nation approached this pandemic the same way it looked at traffic fatalities.
It doesn't, so traffic risks can't begin to be compared to Covid19.

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Rickady88GT OCT 14, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Auto accidents and risk of deth on the highways is just a poor comparison. Apples to oranges.
Think about all the things we (and the govt) do and has done tho, to make driving safer over the last 30+ years.
Seat belts.*
Collapsible steering columns.*
Air bags*.
SBS brakes*.
Electronic stability control.
Shatter resistant glass*.
power brakes and power steering.
Go far enough back, and you will know that even speed limits are there to protect us from each other and ourselves.*

Currently optional but will eventually be at least partially mandated:
Forward collision warning/avoidance.
Automatic emergency braking.
Left turn collision avoidance.
bicycle avoidance/detection.
Pedestrian detection/braking.

* mandated by law. These are enforceable either thru observance by police or at vehicle inspection stations, all for our safety and they work. Have saved countless thousands of lives since being implemented.


You are making my case for me. When I said I wanted to keep my answer simple, it was this very thing I had in mind.
The safety laws are the masks and social distancing and businesses closures and funerals and weddings ALL shut down in the name of "safety".
Its a great correlation.

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Balance those against the fact there are no real laws or orders that can be (or could be but are not) enforced in regards to distancing or masks or even quarantines.
Lockdowns would be all but un-necessary if the nation approached this pandemic the same way it looked at traffic fatalities.
It doesn't, so traffic risks can't begin to be compared to Covid19.



Again I agree with you that people should have cared more about covid precautions from day one all the way through to now and covid in America would already be drying ink in history books. Likewise if everyone honored and abided by traffic laws, if all road workers diligently serviced the roadways of disrepair and hazards......... traffic fatalities would be practically zero.
But that doesn't discount my metaphor, again I draw from you answer to build on my metaphor. There is a way to stop a MASSIVE number of deaths on the highways but like masks the people don't want them,... prohibition. Masks are a form of safety laws just like traffic laws that people regularly disregard. Proposals for new laws in the name of safety can be applied to any scenario, even this one.
maryjane OCT 14, 04:18 PM

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You are making my case for me. When I said I wanted to keep my answer simple, it was this very thing I had in mind.
The safety laws are the masks and social distancing and businesses closures and funerals and weddings ALL shut down in the name of "safety".



Shut down BECAUSE the mask and social distancing 'laws' have no teeth in them and are therefore not enforced. Because there is no real penalty for not following thos "laws", and about 1/3- 1/2 the country just ignored them, so extensive lockdowns were necessary and stayed in effect much longer than necessary. States were allowed to exit lockdown, didn't force folks to wear masks for the most part, allowed public gatherings and here we are 8 months later with 200,000+ dead and case loads still around 50,000 new US cases every day.



The same would be true in regards to driving on the highway if seatbelts, driving speed, abs, airbag use, shatter-resistant glass etc were all optional. The 'govt' made it so that there was no choice and as a result, traffic fatalities are much lower than they would be otherwise.
Rickady88GT OCT 14, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


Shut down BECAUSE the mask and social distancing 'laws' have no teeth in them and are therefore not enforced. Because there is no real penalty for not following thos "laws", and about 1/3- 1/2 the country just ignored them, so extensive lockdowns were necessary and stayed in effect much longer than necessary. States were allowed to exit lockdown, didn't force folks to wear masks for the most part, allowed public gatherings and here we are 8 months later with 200,000+ dead and case loads still around 50,000 new US cases every day.



The same would be true in regards to driving on the highway if seatbelts, driving speed, abs, airbag use, shatter-resistant glass etc were all optional. The 'govt' made it so that there was no choice and as a result, traffic fatalities are much lower than they would be otherwise.


So are you arguing for "metaphorical" prohibition?
The people are saying they don't want it.
Are you saying you want forced mask wearing and home imprisonment?
What if the people just say no? Should they be arrested? What if they do not comply with an arrest? Should they be shot, ... for not wearing a mask? Wear does it stop? How far should the law go? At what point should the authorities say not wearing a mask is worth putting hands on people?
Take the good with the bad, America is just too independent to control like that. And it shows. America has not always done the right thing, and taking away freedoms, forced behavior changes and mandated restrictions is asking for rebellion.
I can't believe Americans have just let these lockdowns destroy their business, rob the nest eggs and deny them Church, funerals, weddings, parties, vacations and more. It blows my mind the freedoms Americans threw away to slow and eradicate covid. They have had enough it's over.
Rickady88GT OCT 14, 04:46 PM
For what its worth, I have put to much into this topic, I am out, I have allowed myself to discuss this further than I care to.
Peace, and be careful out there.