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maryjane
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OCT 05, 02:54 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
A study from Germany earlier this year indicated that a high percentage of C19 attributed deaths had underlying conditions that would have caused death before the end of the year. **
I have family in the health care field that have been instructed that any patient or corpse that tests positive for C19, the death will be attributed to the virus. This includes patients with heart attacks but no symptoms of the virus, auto accident victims, gunshot victims, etc.
Money for nothing, cause the government checks are free. |
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So my question goes unanswered?
**That's pretty much irrelevant but, I'm reminded of the dialog in the first 1 minute of this video and specifically Earl's response to Val saying "so what, we'll be dead in 3 days"
I want to live those 3 days
I suspect very very much, that those people with underlying conditions would have liked very much to live a little longer too.
[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 10-05-2020).]
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Jake_Dragon
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OCT 05, 03:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
A study from Germany earlier this year indicated that a high percentage of C19 attributed deaths had underlying conditions that would have caused death before the end of the year.
I have family in the health care field that have been instructed that any patient or corpse that tests positive for C19, the death will be attributed to the virus. This includes patients with heart attacks but no symptoms of the virus, auto accident victims, gunshot victims, etc.
Money for nothing, cause the government checks are free. |
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I wonder how many of these deaths would have also happened say they got the flu or any of the other respiratory diseases that are common in large health facilities.
After spending 16 years working in a health care business I know how easy it is for a single vector to spread. One snot nosed kid can cause infections to all other patients.
I have been in hospitals and watched the cleaning staff come in and wipe the walls down with a cloth rag, wearing large rubber gloves that she was probably wearing when she started cleaning on the first floor.
Saw the same person stick her gloved fingers inside a water cup to pick it up so she could wipe down the counter.
After I was done this person didn't have a job but what about the rest of the staff that are not trained. So yes Covid is bad but the numbers are not being reported correctly.
If someone is terminal and then gets infected they should not be counted. If someone is in a car accident and dies due to complications then tests positive they should not be counted.
Its all numbers and bull **** .
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theBDub
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OCT 05, 06:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
I wonder how many of these deaths would have also happened say they got the flu or any of the other respiratory diseases that are common in large health facilities.
After spending 16 years working in a health care business I know how easy it is for a single vector to spread. One snot nosed kid can cause infections to all other patients.
I have been in hospitals and watched the cleaning staff come in and wipe the walls down with a cloth rag, wearing large rubber gloves that she was probably wearing when she started cleaning on the first floor.
Saw the same person stick her gloved fingers inside a water cup to pick it up so she could wipe down the counter.
After I was done this person didn't have a job but what about the rest of the staff that are not trained. So yes Covid is bad but the numbers are not being reported correctly.
If someone is terminal and then gets infected they should not be counted. If someone is in a car accident and dies due to complications then tests positive they should not be counted.
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Did you click the report?
If the numbers aren’t accurate, how else do you describe the excess deaths?
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Jake_Dragon
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OCT 05, 07:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Did you click the report?
If the numbers aren’t accurate, how else do you describe the excess deaths? |
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where did you get your numbers?
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theBDub
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OCT 05, 09:41 PM
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blackrams
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OCT 06, 09:50 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
The report I made includes “all deaths,” so if COVID-19 deaths are just over counted from other deaths, we would expect all deaths to remain stable, while COVID-19 deaths “steal” from other causes. We don’t see that trend here.
All death is just accelerated death. We will all die at some point. The argument that it’s just sped up people who would already die isn’t useful, because we will all die. |
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While, that is true, not separating out true COVID 19 numbers versus contributing factors skews the numbers and does not provide us with the real picture of how many deaths were actually caused by the COVID 19 virus. I'm a believer in masking up, social distancing and hand washing but, the question of why is not hard to answer.
Federal money is available for COVID 19 treatment. Hospitals have an incentive to report as many deaths as they can due to COVID 19.
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maryjane
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OCT 06, 11:02 AM
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| quote | | Federal money is available for COVID 19 treatment. Hospitals have an incentive to report as many deaths as they can due to COVID 19. |
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It's actually a federally mandated requirement. Covid19 is a reportable/notifiable illness---cases as well as deaths.
| quote | | COVID-19 became a nationally notifiable disease, meaning that health departments are required to report cases of COVID-19. Systems like the National Notifiable Diseases Surveillance System (NNDSS) collect and send data on cases of COVID-19 to CDC. This helps the agency monitor trends in cases within states and across the country. |
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There are also federal funds [incentatives] available (and has been for about a decade now) for medical facilities to report other illnesses and deaths from them as well. Seasonal flu being one of the big ones, but it's interesting that no one ever questions how many cases of or deaths by flu there have actually been. 'Probably' because that's (flu) the standard all the conspiracy theory folks like to use in trying the minimize the severity of Covi19.
But millions die of flu every year too and we don't shut down for it...
 [This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 10-06-2020).]
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theBDub
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OCT 06, 11:25 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
While, that is true, not separating out true COVID 19 numbers versus contributing factors skews the numbers and does not provide us with the real picture of how many deaths were actually caused by the COVID 19 virus. I'm a believer in masking up, social distancing and hand washing but, the question of why is not hard to answer.
Federal money is available for COVID 19 treatment. Hospitals have an incentive to report as many deaths as they can due to COVID 19.
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With all due respect, I’m failing to see what you mean.
These are all deaths. We could be 100% wrong on what deaths are marked for COVID-19, and we’d see about 240k excess deaths from what we’d expect this year. The next question we’d ask to that, is why? Where are those deaths coming from? It turns out that we have very small variance to that number in our COVID-19 deaths, indicating that our COVID-19 reported deaths may actually be very accurate.
To suppose that we are not accurate in reporting, I would like to see actual data that would show that. I hear your rebuttals and they totally make sense logically, but the data is the data, and the data doesn’t show that. The data suggests that the marked deaths are reported (mostly) correctly.
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maryjane
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OCT 06, 11:33 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
With all due respect, I’m failing to see what you mean.
These are all deaths. We could be 100% wrong on what deaths are marked for COVID-19, and we’d see about 240k excess deaths from what we’d expect this year. The next question we’d ask to that, is why? Where are those deaths coming from? It turns out that we have very small variance to that number in our COVID-19 deaths, indicating that our COVID-19 reported deaths may actually be very accurate.
To suppose that we are not accurate in reporting, I would like to see actual data that would show that. I hear your rebuttals and they totally make sense logically, but the data is the data, and the data doesn’t show that. The data suggests that the marked deaths are reported (mostly) correctly. |
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Good luck with that. I've been asking for a couple of months now every time the subject comes up and so far....all I hear is crickets.
You WILL hear lots of rhetoric, conspiracy theories and hyperbole but little if any real or hard data to support them.
"A friend of my sister has a neighbor that has an aunt that is charge nurse in the ICU a few counties over and she said that nurse heard......."
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theBDub
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OCT 06, 03:54 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Good luck with that. I've been asking for a couple of months now every time the subject comes up and so far....all I hear is crickets.
You WILL hear lots of rhetoric, conspiracy theories and hyperbole but little if any real or hard data to support them.
"A friend of my sister has a neighbor that has an aunt that is charge nurse in the ICU a few counties over and she said that nurse heard......."
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I think it’s hard to trust the government when they’ve proven they can’t be fully trusted. Our current president has blurred the lines more than anyone else with all of the fake news rhetoric. I understand the appeal and don’t blame someone for not trusting the media. In this case, we have data straight from the CDC that can be downloaded by anyone for free, so there is no excuse. I created this report in large part due to the incredible misunderstanding of the data and all of the rhetoric surrounding COVID-19.
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