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maryjane
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MAR 28, 09:52 AM
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| quote | | The CDC just released their influenza numbers (COMPLETELY DEVOID OF ANY MEDIA ATTENTION). 39 million Americans are or have been infected with influenza this cycle (2019/2020), resulting in 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths. <------- PERSPECTIVE. THIS IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. |
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Red herring.
Stop comparing covid to flu and at least begin adding it TO flu.
| quote | In fact, I had a dry cough spell for a few days back in early Feb, that coincides with the description of many healthy people who have been tested positive for COVID-19, since I travel often, I figured I most likely already had the virus back in early Feb, and now I'm good.
I'm not afraid at all. I'm perplexed of how far this pandemic narrative went and is still going.
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So..how many others did you transmit it to? You don't know, and you don't care.
No, most healthy people AREN'T afraid of getting it.I'm not either. What they should be primarily concerned with tho, (and I am) is getting it and giving it to someone else..their parents, grandparents, other fellow employees, older people or others that DO have health issues. They aren't and that's the fallacy of the whole "not as bad as the flu" thing. What they really mean, is "It's not as bad as the flu FOR ME."
Their only concern is themselves.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-28-2020).]
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Wichita
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MAR 28, 12:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
So..how many others did you transmit it to? You don't know, and you don't care.
No, most healthy people AREN'T afraid of getting it.I'm not either. What they should be primarily concerned with tho, (and I am) is getting it and giving it to someone else..their parents, grandparents, other fellow employees, older people or others that DO have health issues. They aren't and that's the fallacy of the whole "not as bad as the flu" thing. What they really mean, is "It's not as bad as the flu FOR ME."
Their only concern is themselves.
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Actually it is quite the opposite. I do see that it is mostly the older generation that are most concerned about this, and with the vast majority of the politicians in office, from local, state to federal level, are old boomer generations.
They say it is selfish for us to go around to keep the economy going, to find normally in a semi-police state, but in fact it is those that are scared of this are in positions where they are retired or have tenured positions and not forced out of work,. So you force everyone else out of work, so that YOU don't get sick.
It is like the older generation could care less about wrecking the economy of their children and grandchildren and saddling us with even more massive debt, because YOU don't want to get sick.
The local police department here is tired of receiving calls from people who are asking the police to arrest people for walking outside, walking their dog, jogging or biking together. Calling the cops because their is no toilet paper. Calling the cops because a couple of utility workers are working on a power line. Calling the cops because of a lawn crew working to cut lawns in the neighborhood and calling the cops on the postal service for delivering mail.
After 2008, it took 10-years for most economically sound cities in the USA to get back to the economy of baseline to 2008 levels. Most places are still economically devastated in the rural areas and in Europe. So you are asking that your children and grandchildren go into depression for a minimum of 10-years, so you don't get sick for the next month?
Again, you have to compare this to influenza, as the NIH Director mention, that Corona virus and Influenza is happening at the same time. It's not that they are exactly the same, but they are happening together. And we do know numbers about that, and it is a fact that 39 million infected, 400,000 people have been hospitalized and 24,000 deaths just here in the past few months.
Corona is 105,000 with 1,711 deaths.
But if everyone else wants the totalitarian state, act like neighborhood stazis, and be completely selfish with no regards to everyone else true well being, then keep on being people the people who call the cops on those that take walks outside.[This message has been edited by Wichita (edited 03-28-2020).]
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FriendGregory
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MAR 29, 03:43 AM
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I understood the lockdown to be legally voluntary. And then I heard that a couple people got tickets for being too close. I am still working.
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maryjane
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MAR 29, 04:30 AM
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| quote | Again, you have to compare this to influenza, as the NIH Director mention, that Corona virus and Influenza is happening at the same time. It's not that they are exactly the same, but they are happening together. And we do know numbers about that, and it is a fact that 39 million infected, 400,000 people have been hospitalized and 24,000 deaths just here in the past few months.
Corona is 105,000 with 1,711 deaths. |
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Actually, it's 123,776 with 2,229 deaths as of 10 minutes ago.
It's not the flu. It has the potential to be much worse than the flu and currently, it is.
CDC has stated over and over again, that on average, 36,000 people die each year from the flu in the USA. Some years more..some years less, but on average, it's 36,000. (CDC states that 2018-2019 flu season= 34,200 deaths.)
(CDC readily admits that it really has no idea, as flu is not a reportable illness nor is it a reportable death, except on a death certificate IF the attending physician chooses to include it. CDC just estimates it)
Flu season runs from Oct 1 and is generally considered for statistical purposes to end on May 1. That's 7 months where I attended school. 7 months X average of 30 days=210 days. 36,000 deaths รท 210 days=171 flu deaths per day per flu season.
The 1st verified Covid-19 case appeared in the US on or around Jan 20, 2020. (69 days ago) As off this date and 2:20am CDT, 2,229 people have died from Covid-19. That is 32.3 deaths per day, or approx 1100 deaths per month.
But:
March 29 (GMT)
198 new cases and 8 new deaths in the United States (incomplete as only 3 hours have elapsed this date)
March 28 (GMT)
19452 new cases and 525 new deaths in the United States
March 27 (GMT)
alert 18691 new cases and 401 new deaths in the United States
March 26 (GMT)
17224 new cases and 268 new deaths in the United States
March 25 (GMT)
13355 new cases and 247 new deaths in the United States
March 24 (GMT)
11075 new cases and 225 new deaths in the United States
March 23 (GMT)
10189 new cases and 141 new deaths in the United States
March 22 (GMT)
9400 new cases and 117 new deaths in the United States
March 21 (GMT)
4824 new cases and 46 new deaths in the United States
March 20 (GMT)
alert 5594 new cases and 49 new deaths in the United States
All this is moot of course, because you have confirmed what I already said. You don't know how many you infected and you don't care, nor do you care how many die from it. Not surprising really. When it comes to money, there's always a demographic that someone is willing to sacrifice so they can make or keep their money...a price or value they are willing to place on "someone else".
The Germans did it with the Jews, the Turks with the Armenians, the white people with the American Indians, The Russians with any number of demographics, the Spanish with the Incas and Aztecs..
It's always "someone else" that is disposable just so we can keep our little insignificant lifestyles going. Lots of people are even prone to say "There's too many people"!
Of course, they are talking about too many "Other people" and don't include themselves in it and would never consider that they should put their life where their mouth is and be the first on their block to volunteer for extermination chambers.....never happen, but they'd be fine with it happening to all those 'someone else' people. They probably won't want it to include any of their loved ones either..but mnaybe the neighbor down the street would be fine with it.
Sometimes, I get confused and wonder if people are upset that the world is trying to prevent loss of life from coronovirus or if they are upset that the world isn't doing the same with the flu because that's what so many people keep saying.."We don't do this with the flu!!!".
I really suspect they just don't give a **** about either one, as long as it's not them that gets infected.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-29-2020).]
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longjonsilver
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MAR 29, 07:13 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by IMSA GT:
Crazy question for the OP. You live in Nova Scotia. Do our laws and history affect you?
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Yes
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Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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randye
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MAR 29, 09:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by IMSA GT:
Crazy question for the OP. You live in Nova Scotia. Do our laws and history affect you?
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To the extent that our United States Constitution provides us the 1st and 2nd Amendments, his lack of those protections, and more, does affect him.
Now we will be regaled with tall tales of how he "essentially" has those same protections, (which he really doesn't but needs to convince himself that he does in order to feel better)
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We will be told fairy tales of how "the unjust and evil United States" supposedly wreaks such havoc on his and other foreign people's lives.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-29-2020).]
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longjonsilver
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APR 04, 01:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Having stated it, you now get to prove it. |
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From the CBO:
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56314
| quote | | Gross domestic product is expected to decline by more than 7 percent during the second quarter. If that happened, the decline in the annualized growth rate reported by the Bureau of Economic Analysis would be about four times larger and would exceed 28 percent. Those declines could be much larger, however. |
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The only real proof is hindsight, but i think that the CBO is about as authoritative as they get.
The real danger is the economic damage that the so called "solution" to the virus is causing. Only herd immunity will stop the virus, altho the weather (sunlight) might slow it down till the fall.
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Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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maryjane
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APR 04, 02:33 PM
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I asked for proof and you responded with projection and the words "I think"
In the immortal words of 84Bill.... "Don't believe everything you think".
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tebailey
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APR 04, 07:01 PM
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I see a lot of Fieros for sale in the near future, make sure your next of kin know where the title is.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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APR 04, 10:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Actually, it's 123,776 with 2,229 deaths as of 10 minutes ago.
It's not the flu. It has the potential to be much worse than the flu and currently, it is.
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It's at 6,000+ deaths so far today. Most conservative estimates say it'll hit about 200k deaths in the US before it's over.
| quote | Originally posted by longjonsilver:
The only real proof is hindsight, but i think that the CBO is about as authoritative as they get.
The real danger is the economic damage that the so called "solution" to the virus is causing. Only herd immunity will stop the virus, altho the weather (sunlight) might slow it down till the fall.
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Responding really to the first post. I'm frustrated with the "laws" that are being enacted that are affecting our freedoms. But... to be clear, you're posting from Canada, so I think you're talking about Canadian rights, not US rights. The Federal Government has not issued such a law or ruling. It's simply been a recommendation. President Trump knows not to enact Martial law because he'd lose support from his base REALLY fast.
The laws and restrictions that are being enacted and pushed are all at the state and local level, to be clear. I expect quite a few lawsuits in Federal court in the next couple of years after all this is over.
But, I do think we need to take this virus seriously, that's all I'm going to say about it.
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