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Doni Hagan FEB 26, 02:04 PM
I'd be glad to see Al go.

He'd be one less "boogieman" and one less distraction from real issues.
pokeyfiero FEB 26, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by Doni Hagan:

I'd be glad to see Al go.

He'd be one less "boogieman" and one less distraction from real issues.



Amen!
Thunderstruck GT FEB 26, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by IwannaIRM:

Sharpton should be in prison for all his unpaid back taxes and not be able to hold public speaking engagements and getting paid for them.





He masks it as a minister which are tax exempt.
Doni Hagan FEB 26, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:


Amen!



You may be premature with your "amening."

While I don't universally disagree with his "messages", I do believe he's outlived his effectiveness as a "messenger." Even when his points are valid, they get summarily dismissed by many Whites simply because HE said it.

That's what I mean by his being a "boogieman" and a distraction from real issues.

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Boostdreamer FEB 26, 08:07 PM
In a similar fashion, do many Blacks believe his messages because HE said them?
Doni Hagan FEB 26, 08:26 PM
Not that I've noticed.......but I haven't seen the visceral reaction to him that others seem to display either.

Most people I've encountered simply dismiss him and Jesse, for that matter. They're no longer relevant to a generation that knows little of their contributions to the CR movement in its inception and, to many younger Black men and women, they've added little to "the struggle" in recent years.

It's rather a matter of "What have you done for us lately?"

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maryjane FEB 28, 01:12 AM
I think it's also a matter of 'how much have you done for us lately and are you harming more than helping?"

There are all kinds of activists in the world and I think they most all start off with sincere and humble intentions, but like freshman politicians, they don't stay that way--or that's how it seems anyway. There are political activists, shareholder activists, environmental activists, social activists, safety activists--there are activists for everything imaginable.
At a certain point, (and I think it extends to all activists regardless of issues or demographics), there is a public perception that the story shifts from the issues at hand and more toward the activist. Especially true once the activist reaches what I call 'celebrity status'. I don't mean movie star celebrity but darling of the press type celebrity status--the flavor of the month or year type celebrity. It certainly happened to Al Gore with global warming, I feel it happened with Jesse Jackson for at least a period of time, it was a problem with Russel Means, it happened to Ralph Nader, it is happening with shareholder activist Carl Icahn even tho these were all familiar names to the public from different aspects of their own lives. On the other side of the scale, it also happened to Hitler (i mean no direct comparison between the nazi devil and the others)
Once it becomes more about the person, whether it is just a perception or not, effective leadership and respect dwindle.
True Charismatic leaders/activists come around only once or twice a generation--FDR, Reagan, Churchill, MLK etc just to mention a few.

There's a regional Hispanic activist here (name escapes me at the moment) who has received a lot of backlash in the last couple of years over allegations that he has morphed and is now far more prone to become more active in any case or cause, in direct relation to a family or group's ability to donate to his expense costs. "For profit activism"? May as well just become a lobbyist..pays better and ya don't have to pretend.
I also believe a generation gap exists in activism. I don't think any of the younger generation gives a crap what Jane Fonda said, did or says today. I do think the youth today are needful of, looking for and longing for their generation's charismatic activist to step (or be pushed) forward, it just hasn't happened yet.

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pokeyfiero FEB 28, 01:22 AM
Those go damned ****ing white people are always the reason **** gets ****ed up.
I'm go tear up my neighborhood now mother ****ers!!
Cracker ass ***** punks!


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Originally posted by Doni Hagan:


You may be premature with your "amening."

While I don't universally disagree with his "messages", I do believe he's outlived his effectiveness as a "messenger." Even when his points are valid, they get summarily dismissed by many Whites simply because HE said it.

That's what I mean by his being a "boogieman" and a distraction from real issues.
Doni Hagan FEB 28, 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

Those go damned ****ing white people are always the reason **** gets ****ed up.




You said it, I didn't.

You guys are in the "power positions," after all.

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maryjane FEB 28, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

Those go damned ****ing white people are always the reason **** gets ****ed up.
I'm go tear up my neighborhood now mother ****ers!!
Cracker ass ***** punks!



Well, you gotta admit, 'we' have had the mule team reins now for over 200 years . Kinda hard to honestly put the blame on anyone else..............