An American 2nd Amendment thread (Page 18/23) sourmash MAY 03, 07:58 PM Your post doesn't contain an accounting from one of the gun stores that the government was using to arm foreign criminal gangs. rinselberg MAY 03, 08:51 PM quote ]Originally posted by sourmash: Your post doesn't contain an accounting from one of the gun stores that the government was using to arm foreign criminal gangs. And . . ? Was it the express purpose of the DOJ, as headed up by AG Eric Holder, to provide guns to foreign criminal gangs, or was that just a kind of collateral damage that came about because the undercover operations involving "gun walking" were mismanaged or sloppily managed or became corrupted (bribes; kickbacks; secretive deal making) at the middle and lower levels of supervision within the DOJ? I think the key phrase in my previous post--that one that I just referenced--is "drop in the ocean." I think that longish (16 minutes of reading) article in the New York Times that I put on display here previously (should be on this same page of the thread here) would be a good read or browse for someone like yourself, or someone who is interested in what you are saying here. So why haven't I read it or looked at it more carefully? It's too far down on my list of needs and wants. sourmash MAY 03, 09:30 PM Walking a few dozen weapons into the hands of an organized criminal cartel causes more consequences than it does to some coyotes. So there is no drop in a bucket which is equal between the two. Giving a Liberator pistol to a resistance fighter is giving him the op to acquire a real weapon to accomplish his mission. You can change the entire political structure of a country to ease or abate drug trafficking, human trafficking or drive people into another country as they flee the crime, which is what was done in the ME and is the excuse used by all those economic migrants that flood our Southern border. If you're saying the illegal activity of our fedgov was a drop in the bucket, you won't find anyone honest who believes your assertion. They emboldened the criminal gangs and today they're emboldening BLM, antifa to commit political violence as well as signaling the invading aliens laws don't matter. 2.5 MAY 05, 04:41 PM quote Originally posted by rinselberg: "the president’s plan to rein in gun violence" I think you should review some of the earlier posts in this thread. The President and/or his puppeteers are either not concerned with "violence", or they are.. and would like to direct it. They certainly do not have a plan that would reduce it. Hudini MAY 05, 06:51 PM quote Originally posted by 2.5: I think you should review some of the earlier posts in this thread. The President and/or his puppeteers are either not concerned with "violence", or they are.. and would like to direct it. They certainly do not have a plan that would reduce it. They don't have a plan to reduce it because the problem is not guns it's people. Do you know the #1 indicator whether someone may become a mass shooter? They grew up in a single parent home. The federal government has made a whole generation of folks dependent on it and then blamed everyone else for the unintended consequences. It's madness blaming me for all the gang shootings in Chicago and other big cities. To me the biggest indicator that the anti-2A crowd is trying to deceive is the fact that their numbers for "violence" include suicides. sourmash MAY 05, 07:18 PM A large number of mass shooters like the Columbine shooters, Adam Lanza, the theatre shooter were on SSRI psychotropics. They inhibit impulse control. But we should understand that most all shootings are in "diverse" areas. Diverse communities. Diverse cities. Is that how diversity is our strength is evidenced? Diversity is where people get shot. 2.5 MAY 10, 05:18 PM quote Originally posted by Hudini: They don't have a plan to reduce it because the problem is not guns it's people. Do you know the #1 indicator whether someone may become a mass shooter? They grew up in a single parent home. The federal government has made a whole generation of folks dependent on it and then blamed everyone else for the unintended consequences. It's madness blaming me for all the gang shootings in Chicago and other big cities. To me the biggest indicator that the anti-2A crowd is trying to deceive is the fact that their numbers for "violence" include suicides. Their stupid plan (agenda) is stated that its intent is to reduce it, but it only addresses the tool. But yes I agree! And all the reasons that led to single parent homes... quote Originally posted by sourmash: A large number of mass shooters like the Columbine shooters, Adam Lanza, the theatre shooter were on SSRI psychotropics. They inhibit impulse control. . Absolutely. 2.5 MAY 11, 08:44 AM quote Originally posted by rinselberg: "How the A.T.F., Key to Biden’s Gun Plan, Became an N.R.A. ‘Whipping Boy’" "The federal agency tasked with enforcing gun laws has been hamstrung for years by the firearms lobby....." If you are reading this, I think you would not deem it a waste of your time to access the article (if you can do it) and give it a quick "eyes on" to see if it looks like something you would like to read or scroll through. Cry me a river, rinselberg that might as well read "the government needs your help to successfully remove your rights." More info: https://www.nraila.org/arti...hrows-atf-pity-party sourmash MAY 11, 09:45 AM quote Originally posted by 2.5: Cry me a river, rinselberg that might as well read "the government needs your help to successfully remove your rights." Absolutely. States are now passing Constitutional Carry legislation. In multiple states you can now carry openly or concealed with out govt permission cards (permits). This should have always been the rule. rinselberg MAY 11, 12:02 PM quote Originally posted by sourmash: Absolutely. States are now passing Constitutional Carry legislation. In multiple states you can now carry openly or concealed with out govt permission cards (permits). This should have always been the rule. That's legislation. I think the most important observation in the NYT report that I referenced is that the A.T.F. has been undercut, so that its managers and agents cannot be effective in enforcing the laws that are in their remit to enforce.