Is Social Justice a disease? (Page 16/21)
maryjane JAN 20, 09:41 AM

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I wouldn't be here to remind people that Trump is "one and done." Trump is "one and done"



And The Anointed One thankfully, wasn't even one,... done she was, before she was one.
She still influences left politics greatly tho. She admonished Biden, before the Nov election (in August I believe) to 'Never concede under any circumstances no matter how the vote comes out'.

Oddly enough, she didn't get a media spanking for that remark, but boy, when Trump said he would not concede, the media cut those peach & willow tree switches, jerked off their belts, pulled down the razor straps and gave him a real whuppin.... and they still are.

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sourmash JAN 20, 09:49 AM
Capitalism is racist. Ask a real estate agent about where they can easily sell a property and where they can't. Ask one about property value trends.
2.5 JAN 20, 05:29 PM
More food for thought:

5 min mark-

If hiring and promoting based on race doesn't correct the issue...and isn't what is wanted... why is that what it seems like we are now told we should be doing "systemically"?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xoDvfJK5yE
maryjane JAN 20, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:
If hiring and promoting based on race doesn't correct the issue...and isn't what is wanted...why is that what it seems like we are now told we should be doing "systemically"?




huh?
2.5 JAN 21, 09:23 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

huh?



Racial "equity of outcomes". We've talked about it here in this thread. Its essentially affirmative action. Racism.
This wasn't noticed as a topic in this thread?.

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rinselberg JAN 21, 09:40 AM
I think that there are other ideas in the Social Justice "folder" that are distinct from "Affirmative Action" or race-based preferential hiring and promotions.

But guess what? I'm out of time. Not even enough time to elaborate on that opening.
2.5 JAN 21, 10:00 AM
New White House is on board with the BS

https://www.whitehouse.gov/...-federal-government/

snippets:
"for too many, the American Dream remains out of reach. Entrenched disparities in our laws and public policies, and in our public and private institutions, have often denied that equal opportunity to individuals and communities. Our country faces converging economic, health, and climate crises that have exposed and exacerbated inequities, while a historic movement for justice has highlighted the unbearable human costs of systemic racism. Our Nation deserves an ambitious whole-of-government equity agenda that matches the scale of the opportunities and challenges that we face.
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closing racial gaps in wages, housing credit, lending opportunities, and access to higher education would amount to an additional $5 trillion in gross domestic product in the American economy over the next 5 years.
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Consistent with these aims, each agency must assess whether, and to what extent, its programs and policies perpetuate systemic barriers to opportunities and benefits for people of color and other underserved groups.
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The term “underserved communities” refers to populations sharing a particular characteristic, as well as geographic communities, that have been systematically denied a full opportunity to participate in aspects of economic, social, and civic life, as exemplified by the list in the preceding definition of “equity.”
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Sec. 3. Role of the Domestic Policy Council. The role of the White House Domestic Policy Council (DPC) is to coordinate the formulation and implementation of my Administration’s domestic policy objectives. Consistent with this role, the DPC will coordinate efforts to embed equity principles, policies, and approaches across the Federal Government. ..
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(a) The Director of OMB shall identify opportunities to promote equity in the budget that the President submits to the Congress.
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Sec. 9. Establishing an Equitable Data Working Group. Many Federal datasets are not disaggregated by race, ethnicity, gender, disability, income, veteran status, or other key demographic variables. This lack of data has cascading effects and impedes efforts to measure and advance equity. A first step to promoting equity in Government action is to gather the data necessary to inform that effort.
... (ii) support agencies in implementing actions, consistent with applicable law and privacy interests, that expand and refine the data available to the Federal Government to measure equity and capture the diversity of the American people."

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Hook line and sinker

Categorize, oppressed vs oppressor, a new kind of socialism, divide and conquer...

On a side note, isnt this attempt a sort of larger scale version of how the housing crash happened? Loan to people based on factors that did not include ability to repay? I mean one can assume rules like these would just mean, hey no more descriminaton (even though it was already illegal) but It is pretty clear to me that this actually means affirmative action.

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rinselberg JAN 21, 10:08 AM
You're making me think of a baseball umpire that's trying to call a game before the game is played. Before the very first pitch.


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Sec. 11. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) Independent agencies are strongly encouraged to comply with the provisions of this order.

(d) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
2.5 JAN 21, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

You're making me think of a baseball umpire that's trying to call a game before the game is played. Before the very first pitch.

"Sec. 11. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) Independent agencies are strongly encouraged to comply with the provisions of this order.

(d) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person."



Well, its been being pitched for years, some folks are swinging at it now.

I see a conflict here, others don't?

Also this is just the Gov. Companies, schools, employers, in many places are embracing the same conflicting ideas.

Unstoppable force meets an immovable object? Maybe some redefiningwill be required to grease the wheels?
Yes I do many times see issues early, and yes that can result in others not seeing it. Its worth talking about even if the it ends with, "well lets all hope for the best".

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sourmash JAN 21, 11:32 AM

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Yes I do many times see issues early, and yes that can result in others not seeing it. Its worth talking about even if the it ends with, "well lets all hope for the best".



Having insight has it's challenges. Most people judge by their own limitations and have to be reminded that other people have different, and just as likely, better abilities.