quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Not me but I am concerned about long term issues for something that has not had proper testing. We have been lied to before, you can talk about science all you want, we do not really know what the drug companies are putting in this. There is an idea but we don't know. Hey remember that time a trusted government agency allowed a trusted pharmaceutical to give a bunch of people AIDS because it couldn't make a safe product? Funny when a pharmaceutical company in another country did it they suddenly found the money. That aside, there has been so much back and forth. The news is no help and its very hard for anyone to know what is going on with limited access to the "Truth" So I am very much against mandates. If they wanted to rid the world of Covid they would have been publishing the vaccine so everyone could reproduce it. Anything short of that is just abusing the crisis to get rich. Also for the record I have been vaccinated as has most of my family. But I will not put pressure on anyone that doesn't want to get it.

Jake,
I agree with much of what you just stated but, I also recognize that we also don't know the long-term effects of COVID (any for the variants). So, pick your path.
I'm also not in favor of mandating with one very important exception and I also don't agree with OHSA enforcing vaccinations. I don't believe the CDC has the authority to mandate travel restrictions (with the exception of those crossing our borders) and I don't believe the President has the Constitutional authority to order such mandates on American citizens. Although I do believe the foreigners can be limited or restricted from crossing our borders legally.

I say all this while still being a proponent for vaccinations, I trust my multiple doctors. I also see and discuss this topic with others within the Research Group I am in to learn actual experiences of those who are involved. To this date, of the (over 100) folks I've conversed with, none have had a negative experience of significance with getting vaccinated. Although, a few have caught COVID since vaccination. All are still alive and doing well within that limited group. But, I've also attended four memorials for friends who refused vaccinations.

These are some of the reasons I don't appreciate some of the "quack" authorities I read about on this and other forums. IOWs, there's a lot of out there being spread around. People look for and then broadcast information to support their already conceived positions. The truth is out there, we just haven't discovered the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. There may be multiple layers or versions of the truth but the fact is, we're each individuals and could have different reactions to any vaccine. There hasn't been a perfect vaccine, good for everyone, ever devised.

I've made my own decision on the vaccinations, actually, I made that decision before it was even an option for the public to receive vaccinations. Without volunteers, the research could not continue. That research is necessary unless we are willing to accept similar results to what we experienced during the Spanish Flu Pandemic. To me it's worth the risk if for no other reason than my own family and future generations.

While I am aware that I can catch and spread the virus, the numbers prove (to me) that I am less of a danger to others than an unvaccinated is who is also infected.
Two things really piss me off, knowingly endangering others and those who do so with fake vaccination IDs. IMHO, those who use fake Vaccinations IDs should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Rams

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We know Fauci was funding gain of function development in China. Is the injection program the next phase of the testing program?

There has been a steady stream of lies and misinformation coming from the government, Big Pharma and all the covidiots promoting the fear pron. From the beginning they've been pushing BS that they later admit was false.

"Millions will die!" Remember that one? "Two weeks to flatten the curve." "Vaccines are safe and effective." Those are just the most obvious examples, of course. "Two shots will protect you." No. No, it doesn't. "You have to have a booster a few months after your 2nd shot to be fully vaxed." Again, more BS. "It's only the unvaxed that are spreading covid."

The worst variants for most all disease comes from faulty medication use and reckless drug dispensing.

Why is Big Pharma asking to block FOIA requests for Covid shots for 75 years? It took a matter of months for the shots, but you aren't allowed to know anything for 75 years.

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quote Originally posted by randye:

I dont care who you are, that is funny **** right there !!!!!!

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