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AUG 06, 01:57 PM
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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 06, 02:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
I can be cryptic when writing. People really aren't interested. They just want a reason to troll someone else.
You're terrible at communication on the perception side. You don't struggle with conveying thoughts. Like most Hispanics you have a lot to say and aren't going to listen if someone engages you until you respond to what you thought someone else was saying. The problem is you respond to things never said. But you add projection to the discussion anyway to absolve yourself of blame. I like the band RUSH! And it's Freewill song lyric time: "Blame is better to give than receive."
Most politically affiliated people only want their side to win. I want both sides to fail, but it's because they both are the same globalist shill hydra.
I could only wish most people in America were like me. The Republican establishment tells the flock that it's the Dems who are the problem. That's way wrong. The Republican Party is the problem because they won't get out of the way to allow anyone to counter the Dems with practical platform planks.
I'm nationalist with some classical liberal views and am certainly a racial identitarian. Is that even a word?
Certain groups (cultural, racial, political) have provable traits. If the trait of a group is problematic for society, then that's where you concentrate the corrective attention. That isn't allowed anymore. Everyone else has to suffer instead of correcting a group's behavior and by teaching responsibility. Neil Peart's final lyric in The Trees applies. But the problem group isn't really the problem. It's those preventing the instructional measures, and that is just like the GOP today.
You're a pretty typical Normie-Con. Normie-Con's "believe". They don't perceive. They believe in things that no longer exist, or never did. They don't perceive what is actually happening. Conversely, the progressive liberal can't allow himself to see what is happening because it's inhumane and anti-human and he just wants his ultimate (selfish) goal. They actually think someone on the other side is at fault for them not succeeding or succeeding at some utopia.
Normie-Cons are Republican first. Conservatives aren't.
The Republicans are just the Dems of 5-10 years ago. Eff them.
The Dems are radically pro-invader. The Republican answer is to allow the illegal invasions that the Dems want because (1) the donor class buys them off, and (2) there are billions more invaders than traditional Americans that they don't want tvoting against them like the Black, Jewish and Hispanics typically do.
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Where to start???
"Like most Hispanics you have a lot to say and aren't going to listen if someone engages you until you respond to what you thought someone else was saying."
If this was even intended to make sense, there are literally ~21 Spanish speaking countries, each with their own culture and influence. Perhaps you know a lot of Argentines I suppose? I was born in Chicago. Would it be the ever so slightly darker skin that gives me less vernacular and reading comprehension, or is it that my mom was born in Argentina and the influence of the Argentine culture that causes it? Perhaps it's the 6 college degrees that I have which have run me askew of proper comprehension? Inquiring minds would love to know!!!
I'm interested in understanding what the goal of posting this is? I would appreciate a sentence or two for context, otherwise I have to make assumptions as to what your intent is ... so please don't be upset if I put words in your mouth. As I said, I'll have to assume here.
I don't think anyone believes that COVID-19 is not deadly and / or a real thing. I think a lot of people are looking at the vaccine from a number of different perspectives. Before I go into that, let's set some ground points:
1 - The majority of the "un-vaccinated" are not what the main stream media portrays. They are not, in fact, "dumb white / hick Trump supporters." The majority (though slight majority) of the un-vaccinated are actually made up of minorities; specifically, blacks and Hispanics. In order of most vaccinated to least vaccinated in the United States, Asians are #1, second non-Hispanic whites, third are Hispanics, fourth are blacks. You can see that information here: https://www.kff.org/coronav...ions-race-ethnicity/
2 - The reason the majority of these un-vaccinated people refuse to get the vaccine is largely because they do not trust it or do not see the point. It certainly isn't because of access to vaccination centers. Here in the United States, there has been a significant push to make sure that minority areas are given preferential treatment (if you will).
3 - The mortality rate is exceptionally low. According to John Hopkins University, the mortality rate of COVID-19 in the United States is 1.7%. Some things to keep in mind with this... that includes the average mortality of elderly, people with (as they say) co-morbidities, children, and everyone in-between. You can see that here: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
So with that said, let's address the guy in this article. Again, I have to make assumptions as to what you're saying here because you didn't respond to anyone in particular, and merely posted a link. I would say this is an example of bad luck, and humble pie getting eaten. The guy said there's nothing to worry about... and in truth, he would mostly be right. If you can quantify "nothing to worry about" as a percentage... 1.7% is quite small. Realistically, his percentage for his age range would probably be significantly less... something like 0.9%. And of course, with kids... it drops even lower to less than a 10th of 1%.
Again, no comments and you are not replying to a specific person, so I'll randomly make assumptions and respond in kind.
My personal opinion, I think we've entered an age where we're inclined to pick and choose whatever doctor and / or scientist agrees with our political stance. Doctors and scientists are just like the rest of us... engineers, programmers, whatever; we have biases.
For the record, I got vaccinated, and I'm not /as/ concerned with mRNA technology... but this is totally a leap of faith. I don't understand how it works. My decision not to vaccinate my daughter is simply based on math. For my daughter, COVID is an extremely low risk. Less than a 10th of 1%. Quite very literally, the risks from the vaccine are greater than the risks of COVID. The risk of being hospitalized by COVID-19 for a child 12 and under is 0.02%. Alternately, the percentage of children 12 and under that will experience "SEVERE" complications to the COVID-19 vaccine (Pfizer) is 0.04%. That information here: https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download
I'm not considering the things like vomiting, fever, etc... because that's the body's natural reaction to what it thinks is an infection, and would likely be the same if she had COVID-19 badly anyway... though to be fair, the likelihood of getting those symptoms from the vaccine is in the range of 25%, while getting it from COVID-19 is less. So for my daughter, there's a 50% greater chance of adverse reaction from the vaccine than from just getting sick. So it's a very simple answer for me... when it comes to math. When we take out all the other emotions and feelings, and we just focus purely on the math... it just makes sense for her to not get it. Besides, she's been in this household with me having gotten COVID-19 (again)... and she has no symptoms either. She most certainly has already had it, was symptom-less, and that's that. So moot here... but at some point, it becomes more of a medical industrial complex kind of argument.
... like the war in Afghanistan. We spent 20 years there spreading freedom that the Afghans neither want, or care about. Half the Afghan National Forces were former Taliban, but switched because the ANF pays more. Anyone who's been over there to Bagram, Kabul, etc... can tell you the entire place reeks of corporate corruption. At least for the last decade, we have not been there to spread freedom or make Afghanistan a better place... it was to line the pockets of defense contractors. I think we can pretty much all agree on this. At some point, you should be willing to consider the same for the pandemic and big pharma. Big pharma doesn't care any more about the kids ending up with permanent disabilities than General Atomics does about the people getting killed by their Predator drones.
For the record, and coming back full circle as Jen Psaki says... I don't support the squashing of dissenting voices. The truth of the matter is, there are just as many experts saying the vaccines are bad, as there are saying the vaccines are good. We get into this problematic loop with nearly every science and medical theory. The problem is, like with global warming, it's become political. We used to debate among astronomy giants how black holes worked, and the world didn't bat an eye... just waited for more information. But with global warming and pretty much anything to do with COVID-19, it's become entirely political.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 08-06-2021).]
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sourmash
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AUG 06, 03:32 PM
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We spent 20 years enriching military contractors and the machine that is the mil ind complex as well the privately held Fed Reserve bank system that fedgov borrowed the money from, not to mention destabilizing the Middle East at the behest of a couple of other Near and Middle East nations.
All those expended troops while they slap them in the face by opening the Southern border to allow criminal cartels to victimize their families.
Don't forget which party spear-headed the wars AND opening the borders. Both supported it, but one was in power.
Last year the globalists pulled an even higher level scam by attributing primary death causation (existing health conditions) as secondary causes in order to promote Corona-caust, a virus that only moderately impacts a small portion of a couple of groups.
They shut down the in-person world that enriched the already mega rich as purchases went to Amazon (interesting name, eh) instead of local establishments that add to local tax coffers.
It dispossessed small property owners of income while BlackRock and Vangaurd increased holdings incredibly. Govs enriched privately held central banks with borrowed stimulus. The richest gained 3.7 or 3.9 trillion in wealth while the rest of us lost a nearly identical amount of wealth.
Now the mega rich have the money to even further wield influence against us. Take the shots or you don't eat is becoming the next move. And the useful idiots encountered everywhere help drive us all off a cliff.
This recklessness of injections is already making the situation worse as the CDC just admits injected people are spreading the Corona-caust. If there are variants then they'll eventually release that injected people are 'partially' responsible. Which will turn into mostly several years later.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 08-06-2021).]
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AUG 06, 04:25 PM
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I see 82-T/A [At Work] talking about "a child of 12 or under" in connection with the vaccine.
Unless I've missed something, a child has to be age 12 or older to be eligible for the Covid vaccine(s).
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AUG 06, 05:00 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I see 82-T/A [At Work] talking about "a child of 12 or under" in connection with the vaccine.
Unless I've missed something, a child has to be age 12 or older to be eligible for the Covid vaccine(s).
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I really meant 12-15, which is the age range of my daughter.
But for younger than 12 has been a big push. Incidentally... the subject of this article should tell you all you need to know...
Pfizer Wants Vax Approval for Ages 5-11 Years Old by Fall
https://www.webmd.com/vacci...11-years-old-by-fall
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AUG 06, 06:54 PM
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| quote | [B]Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm interested in understanding what the goal of posting this is?
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The goal of posting, which I realize is a hopeless case, is to try and get people to see reality instead of sticking to their beliefs against all logic and fact. I know.....this is hopeless, but as a human being that does care about people dying unnecessarily, I feel I have to try.
The bottom line is that almost 3x as many people have died from Covid in the US compared with Canada (with normalized populations); the actual number is something like 2.6x or 2.7x. That is a fact. The/my problem is that many of you posting feel more comfortable with your numbers, percentages, what doctor said what, what source of information best confirms what you want to see, etc. Do those percentages that show you likely won't die really matter? Don't any of you look up and say "wait a minute, how come so many more are dying in the US.....could we be doing something different?". I know, you'll come back with more BS and "facts" and figures to show that the issue really isn't that serious. But remember, almost 3x as many have died already. At what point do you think that maybe you should look at what other countries are doing better? Your numbers and percentages are real people that have died or will die if you don't do something different.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 06, 07:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by couldahadaV8:
The goal of posting, which I realize is a hopeless case, is to try and get people to see reality instead of sticking to their beliefs against all logic and fact. I know.....this is hopeless, but as a human being that does care about people dying unnecessarily, I feel I have to try.
The bottom line is that almost 3x as many people have died from Covid in the US compared with Canada (with normalized populations); the actual number is something like 2.6x or 2.7x. That is a fact. The/my problem is that many of you posting feel more comfortable with your numbers, percentages, what doctor said what, what source of information best confirms what you want to see, etc. Do those percentages that show you likely won't die really matter? Don't any of you look up and say "wait a minute, how come so many more are dying in the US.....could we be doing something different?". I know, you'll come back with more BS and "facts" and figures to show that the issue really isn't that serious. But remember, almost 3x as many have died already. At what point do you think that maybe you should look at what other countries are doing better? Your numbers and percentages are real people that have died or will die if you don't do something different. |
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It's easy to look at numbers and not consider them as individuals... or people actually dying. That said (and this probably doesn't matter), but are you being emotional about this because you do in fact actually care that the United States has a 2.7x number of dead by COVID than Canada does? Or are you basically doing what Sourmash has done... which is an attempt to show that you're right... e.g. that your politics has "won?" Think very hard about that, because the reality is, most people actually are more concerned with trying to be "right" than they are with what they're actually talking about.
As for the United States, you are correct, but there are a few things to consider:
- Our COVID death numbers are not "death by COVID" but people who died and had COVID at the time of death. There's a margin of error there, but the United States definitely still has a higher death percentage than Canada does, even when you take that out.
- A large percentage of our dead and dying are elderly, as well as poor minorities from Central America. Nearly 25% of the deaths were literally from illegals that crossed the border. This is not a problem that Canada has... illegal immigration. Your illegal immigration comes through our border first. We /always/ have worse numbers related to everything medical and health... and it's always due to the massive illegal immigration that we have. But these facts always get twisted.
- Blacks make up almost another 25% of COVID deaths, yet they only make up 13% of the US population. This are not "Republicans" or "NeoCons" or "Trump supporters" ... these are in very large part Democrats. They literally just don't want to get vaccinated.
"I know, you'll come back with more BS and "facts" and figures to show that the issue really isn't that serious."
No one said it isn't serious. But Canada is a much more homogeneous society with a government that has far more rights granted to the political class than the United States does. That means the Canadian Government can impose will in a manner that is far more easy to do than it is in the United States. If you're going to tell me that Canada is better this way, and the United States is worse this way... then you and I will never see eye to eye. And, I don't expect you to see it from my perspective.
In the United States, there is only so much the Federal government can force the states to do. Canada's provincial system is not like ours... your national government is much stronger than your state government. Our states will literally do their own thing on situations like this... and I absolutely prefer it to be that way.
My wife and I are vaccinated... I don't plan to get my daughter vaccinated. I think everyone should have the right to make their own decision. If people are concerned, get vaccinated.
The reason why Canada is vaccinated... is because the United States created the vaccines and shipped them there. You're welcome.
... so, we're obviously doing something right?
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AUG 06, 07:33 PM
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AUG 06, 07:42 PM
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Are they considering "break through" to be just COVID, or COVID / Delta Variant?
Because I'm a breakthrough case... and I'm definitely not 65 (I'm 43) and I'm very healthy.
With the vaccine I took (Pfizer), I wouldn't expect to get the normal COVID, but would assume I'd get the Delta variant... which I don't think (honestly) the normal vaccine would stop anyway. Right?
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AUG 06, 09:44 PM
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Fifteen days has turned into 400 plus. I guess more people.are getting fed up.
https://dailycaller.com/202...t-covid-19-mandates/
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Vegas Man Scales 60+ Floor Hotel Ropeless In Protest Of COVID-19 Mandates
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KATELYNN RICHARDSON
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August 05, 2021
4:53 PM ET
A Las Vegas rock-climber was seen scaling a 600-foot Strip hotel early Tuesday morning. He planned the stunt to protest local and nationwide COVID-19 mandates.
“These new mandates are a threat to our freedoms and a threat to our civil liberties,” Maison Des Champs said in a video he recorded mid-climb. “Fifteen days have slowly turned into 400-something, and now is the time to draw the line.”
Des Champ climbed over 60 floors of the Aria hotel before he was caught by police at the top of the building, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal. He was arrested for trespassing not amounting to burglary and disorderly conduct. The climber was released soon after the same day.
LVMPD Police Captain for the Las Vegas Strip Dori Koren called the act “extremely dangerous & very illegal.”
The climb was also intended to promote an upcoming protest, which Des Champs plans to host in front of the Planet Hollywood Casino on Aug. 14.
Des Champs’ passion for fighting the mandates was in part due to his “relationship with mental health,” he wrote on Instagram.
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Maison Des Champs, a Las Vegas rock climber scaled 60+ floors on the side of the Aria
Maison DesChamps, a Las Vegas rock climber scaled 60+ floors on the side of the Aria on Tuesday to protest Governor Sisolak’s latest business killing COVID-19 mask mandates.
He left the following message on his Instagram page:
One of the reasons I am so passionate about Fighting these mandates is because of my relationship with mental health. When I was 16 my parents moved me from Hartland, Michigan to Los Angeles, California.
My entire life was uprooted and I suffered greatly. Every day I thought about killing myself. I would like to refrain from further detail, but I will say the only thing that kept me from doing it it was God. When I signed up for college, I did it to make my parents happy, I didn’t expect to live through the summer.
Luckily that summer I took a job in Yosemite National Park and I discovered the beauty of the mountains and the joy of rock climbing. For a long time climbing kept me distracted from my problems until eventually I sort of just grew out of them. Like many other people, the lockdowns caused me to re-examine my mental health, I luckily pulled out of it, but unneeded damage was done.
Later in October following the lockdowns and just To make matters worse my grandfather committed suicide. It was hard. Not just because of his passing, but because of the way it happened. It was more than the death of my grandfather it was a mirror I was forced to look into.
I’m not sure if the lockdowns contributed to my grandfather’s death, but I will never get to know. Like many others, I have lost a loved one, and like many others I would like to see life get back to normal.
No more mandates, no more masks. People are suffering. Politics have gotten in the way of not only freedom but public health. Staying inside should be a personal risk assessment, why should someone who is young and healthy be forced to risk their mental health just so they can hide from a cough? Enough is enough. We as American must stand up for personal freedom and stand up for mental health.
I hope this message encourages people to come and help protest on August 14 on Las Vegas Boulevard (the strip). Let’s show Governor Sisolak that Americans what life to go back to normal.
The Mandate Protest on the Las Vegas Strip on August 14th starts at 8am in front of Planet Hollywood.
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