quote Originally posted by maryjane: And beyond that 'point' the rules are enforced upon you. This is indeed a war, fought on our own soil this time, against an invisible enemy. There have always been and will always be those who are fair weather patriots, and those who fight only up to a 'certain point' and when the sacrifice becomes too personal, they quit the fight. You speak of the judgement and actions of others, but in the same breath and short paragraph,, speak of your own actions and beliefs 4 different times, and it is those actions and beliefs that have the potential to cost others their lives. By stating that, you are also stating you aren't even willing to accept the responsibility of your own judgement and actions. Painting a house is not worth even 1 other person's life or health.

I have complied fully with all governmental requirements of my state and nation. Period. You can project what you believe about me, or listen to truths?

Take this for what it is MJ. If you think I am breaking a law, or not even REMOTELY following rule, then point that shat out. I want to comply, and have.

If you are upset with my opinions of this ordeal, then that is acceptable also. But remember, I flush my toilet paper down a drain, not save it for later.

Edit: My rights shall not be infringed upon...

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quote Originally posted by cliffw: Do you cover your mouth or nose when coughing or sneezing, especially in public ?

No, I spray and pray!

I am one of the most OCD clean people this forum has ever faquing encountered. I waxed my lawn mower yesterday.

I have been on this forum long enough for most to know I am not a felon, nor do I put others in harm. Cliff, that was/is a stupid question to ask me.

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quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Perhaps some of you fine folks need to leave your own property for an hour or two? Get offline, talk with a neighbor or two. For faqs sake, people in my circle are of like mind. We believe in personal responsibility.

I was at a neighbor's most of yesterday afternoon, showing him how to correctly repack a hydraulic cylinder on his skid steer...and repairing the threads he screwed up on the cylinder rod when he cross treaded the nut.

Fortunately, he keeps a set of seals for this particular cylinder on hand so we didn't have to go to town to get new ones.

Our rights end where others' rights begin. There's a reason our founding fathers put the right to life at the beginning of those unalienable rights and the pursuit of happiness at the end. Dead folks don't have much happiness and don't pursue anything but the process of rotting. My own protocols have little to do with whether I get sick...has everything to do with me getting it and unknowingly pass it on to others while I am non-symptomatic. That, is what the protocols are designed to prevent and they are in effect under color of law.
In our nation, it is not to us to decide what constitutes violation of a right. We have an appeals path for that, and SCOTUS has final say.
The rules and protocols have already been legally challenged & tested in lower courts and approved by federal and state courts, and AFAIK, none have been overturned. It is now going to SCOTUS and I very much suspect the high court will also allow the protocols to stand as there is precedence.
A prior SCOTUS ruling found in favor of regulations that happened during a smallpox outbreak in 1905. Jacobson v. Massachusetts.
"Jacobson instructs that all constitutional rights may be reasonably restricted to combat a public health emergency," wrote Judge Stuart Kyle Duncan for the majority.
Unless you have been secretly appointed and approved as a new SC justice, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant from a constitutional and legal standpoint, as is mine.
There are 9 diseases that can legally trigger protocols.

quote The current list includes “severe acute respiratory syndromes,” which encompasses Covid-19. QUARANTINABLE DISEASES.* Cholera Diphtheria Infectious tuberculosis Plague Smallpox Yellow fever Viral hemorrhagic fevers Severe acute respiratory syndromes (includes Covid-19) Influenza that can cause a pandemic

Federal mandates state that these protocols may not prevent the publicfrom obtaining basic needs. Law states they must meet those people’s basic needs, ensuring access to health care, medication, food, and sanitation.
(Paint is not on the list)
Our real enemies (Russia, N. Korea, China, The EU ) are watching carefully, the reactions of our US public, and fully realize that short termed American resolve is and always has been the path to victory over this nation.
In less than 2 months, we have lost about 1/3 as many Americans as died in the 20 years of Vietnam War. We left that war unsuccessfully prosecuted not because of military failure but because of muchly diminished US public resolve.
It's now approx day 35 since the first quarantine/distancing protocols were announced...among the first one being in the State of Washington after the outbreak in a nursing home. We can't even go 40 days of the protocols...that says a lot about us and our enemies are watching this.

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