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2.5 MAR 06, 11:32 AM
In my past dealings with pokey, though he has been quiet for a long time now, is he has his head on straight, just doesn't like BS.
Pokey talks like a normal person and doesn't attack as much as some like to see.

Randye, I would guess pokeys talk of a bully is about your past style of communication with many people on the forum.

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2.5 MAR 06, 12:04 PM

Pokey sprang off of my post by saying, (now this is in my words, based on what I read) :
A problem that causes us to not be able to talk about the same thing begins with people arguing and being unreasonable, not listening, assuming too many things, only looking to determine if someone can be labeled as an adversary and just trying to win and maybe not having all the information first.

I don't think I can disagree.
Tony Kania MAR 06, 12:37 PM
Waters get muddied:

In no way am I talking smack or taking Pokey to task on anything here. I respect the man. In about 5 minutes some dimwit will walk in here and read otherwise. I cannot control the lack of comprehension that is about to be unleashed by said dimwit. We do not know just whom that dimwit will be, but rest assured that misunderstanding will take place.

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pokeyfiero MAR 06, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Waters get muddied:

I cannot control the lack of comprehension that is about to be unleashed by said dimwit.



That is the most profound thing I have read in a long time!!

This is what I saw in my mind when I read it.
Ten thousand Monks chant "I cannot control the lack of comprehension that is about to be unleashed"
2.5 MAR 06, 05:06 PM
As usual, the thing we can control is ourselves.
pokeyfiero MAR 07, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by E.Furgal:


WHAT HAPPENED..
lets see.
1)FEMINAZI's (lefties/dems) told women your job isn't raising your kids. it is be a strong woman and have a career..
2) LEFTIES making it easy to split the family unit up because the woman is bored. why they do this. Because if you are a 2 parent household. you are not on the government tit. most of the time. and you might teach your kids. the evils of being under the governments thumb (social handouts)
3) the systematic distruction of the Nuclear family
4) The war on religion and morals..


seems to be all of the above are liberal agendas.
THis is why they call dems. dumbs.
liberals cause the problem, then claim they have the answer/fix.. and that always is getting the government deeper involved in peoples lives.
but but but but but but but................................................ but ..
Truth is not an insult, and reality is not an attack



I Hardly ever agree completely with anything though I mostly agree with this.
I been going over this thread looking for things that are actually on task with reality.
Finding base causes is the path to finding solutions. Usually both problem and solution ends up being simple common sense and not some complicated
progressive idea to save the world with fantasy utopia driven agendas. That's why it is so hard to work with Liberals more so than conservatives. Liberals always want to take a bite bigger than can fit in their face.
It is a fact that a two parent home produces drastically more capable and responsible people. Even more so when one stays home keeping direction in a youth's life.Historically that is the woman due to our natural dispositions and qualities. It is just common sense. But common sense is the opposite of progressives ideas of moving forward at all costs.
There is a war on common sense. There is also a war on men.A war on women. A war on change. A war on staying the same. We are at war on so many things at once.
What we might need is a war on stupid irrational thinking.

Some people think that is what common sense is.Rational thinking. If only!!!
Unfortunately common sense is a moving target.

Our "Common" (collective) "Sense" (Personal constitution) has been under attack since ever!!
Constant struggle and loss always puts it firmly back into place.
That has been a historical constant maintaining through countless ages of modernization and societal restructuring.
It is our Post WW2 economic expansion or golden age of capitalism that has propelled our society into uncharted growth.

"Common Sense" has fragmented since 1945 away from a mostly secular vision into many different groups of ideas defining what is the selective collective personal constitutions of large groups.
These value changes can be easily seen in age groups or generations but also take hold like a popular fad.
People like to belong so they tend to glaum onto the group think. Especially if they are in an echo chamber of ideas.

This can be illustrated by some people saying things like "Yeah,That's old school way of thinking" with arrogance and no small amount of pride.
Not necessarily a bad thing. New school thinking needs to measured and examined against old school thinking.
In our faster than life pace it has been detrimental to say the least and disastrous in most cases.
Not only do we not wait to see the results of our new thinking we do whatever we can to force it down the throats of anyone we can, as fast as we can, in any way we can.

Worse given our huge diversity and freedoms we do this over a huge number of different PROGRESSIVE ideas at once!!
Literally bombarded with Attacks on Common Sense from all directions.

Common sense is experiencing growing pains that may be to much to survive. That manifests into hate and then often violence.
Especially dangerous to us is this! As Americans we have a natural tendency to to fight to the death for our beliefs. It may be some genetic thing based on the people that made the choice to brave and risk everything to get here. You got to have balls to cross an ocean in a time when fast travel meant a healthy mule or even just having shoes.
The idea that violence is acceptable is a core American institution if it is directed against what we perceive to be a threat to our freedom and beliefs.

The bigger and faster we go the less common will be a COMMON SENSE.

So let's just be compassionate,empathetic and to try and be as rational as possible with each other. We could find a common ground to try and make some sense together.

Ok,that's it. I finished my coffee. Got to go feed my chickens now.
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randye MAR 07, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

You got to have balls to cross an ocean in a time when fast travel meant a healthy mule......







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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

What we might need is a war on stupid irrational thinking.




Maybe you could just start with a small battle against sophomoric analogies

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2.5 MAR 08, 08:53 AM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

I Hardly ever agree completely with anything though I mostly agree with this.
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As do I.
Blacktree MAR 08, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

Our government is designed to protect us.
Protect us from even ourselves.




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Originally posted by randye:
If you sincerely believe that the United States government exists, in any measure, to protect you from yourself, then we can comfortably disregard everything else you said.


I think Pokey was referring to the fact that a republic provides a buffer zone between public opinion and the inner workings of the government. We all know that public opinion is easily swayed. So in a sense, it does protect us from ourselves. And by "us" I mean society in general, not individuals.
pokeyfiero MAR 08, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by Threedog:

In 1970, 92% of 30 year olds earned more than their parents did at that age. Now, that number is below 50%.


What has happened since then? The complete destruction of the lower and middle class by a drastic cutting of social safety nets and cutting taxes on the rich resulting in a deteriorating infrastructure and government systems.

Putting people in the lower class does not encourage them to get out, that is not how human psychology works no matter how badly you want it to.

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3


Also, the world is not the same as it was when you grew up. Opportunities for advancement are nowhere near what they used to be.


Also, if socialist policies are so bad, why do we constantly give farmers massive amounts of government handouts?



Are you still here? Do you even want to talk about these links you provided?

On the surface it appears you are saying that because of various conditions children are brought in they are impaired from opportunity and ability to compete socially and financially in our present age.
Also it seems you believe the solution to those issues is to increase taxation on producers so a government regulated and disbursed welfare program can some way put these people on equal footing to everyone else?

Do I have your basic simplistic premise correct?