Now I have to Vote For Trump (Page 15/27)
pokeyfiero MAR 06, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


Not to upset the apple cart or go off on a tangent, but those jobs aren't coming back in any great numbers short of some sort of global catastrophe.



Not to mention where are you going to find the engineers and machinists that don't exist in quantity nor do the facilities to teach them.

Industry is built not bought.

Unless we just get Steve. a few welders and a union will save us all.
Thunderstruck GT MAR 06, 10:17 PM
Oh I gotta ask.....

How would a "union" save us?
dratts MAR 06, 10:20 PM
Maybe there is some way to make the job exporters pay. It's not anyone elses fault and if we hit them in their pocketbook they'll feel that. Money is their only goal. I know , unicorns and wishful thinking.
jmclemore MAR 06, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


Not to upset the apple cart or go off on a tangent, but those jobs aren't coming back in any great numbers short of some sort of global catastrophe.




I don't think companies moving manufacturing
to china is the problem. I think the condition that
makes companies choose china are the problem.

And the people responsible for those conditions are
those who created them. the government

Changing it will not be an instant return of jobs from
abroad, but it would transform the economic
environment to a more friendly place to expand and
grow the manufacturing and jobs. It would be the
competition domestically that influences companies
to weigh the cost of producing in china. That is where
Obama could have secured a legacy and set the democratic
party up for a decade of unstoppable elections.


All he had to was raise taxes on businesses and offer a tax
deduction on all domestic production. Companies producing
domestically would have enough deductions to nullify the
new tax hike leaving businesses producing abroad with higher
taxes. The democrats would have been able to say, raising
taxes worked even though it was effectively a tax cut.......

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maryjane MAR 06, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by dratts:

Maybe there is some way to make the job exporters pay. It's not anyone elses fault and if we hit them in their pocketbook they'll feel that. Money is their only goal. I know , unicorns and wishful thinking.



The consumers will pay, regardless of what is or is not done to the "job exporters".
Fault?
Real truth is, the consumers ARE the job exporters. Consumers made it quite clear that they would be very happy with cheaper goods and the only way to accomplish that was to make them with cheaper labor. It is simply impossible to make any consumer anywhere in the world buy more expensive goods when less expensive goods of comparable or close to comparable quality and value are available from a different source. We could bring every manufacturing job back to this country and in very short order, warehouses would be stacked to the ceiling in unsold merchandise.
And please, don't even think about strong import tariffs--it never works.

dratts MAR 06, 10:40 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


The consumers will pay, regardless of what is or is not done to the "job exporters".
Fault?
Real truth is, the consumers ARE the job exporters. Consumers made it quite clear that they would be very happy with cheaper goods and the only way to accomplish that was to make them with cheaper labor. It is simply impossible to make any consumer anywhere in the world buy more expensive goods when less expensive goods of comparable or close to comparable quality and value are available from a different source. We could bring every manufacturing job back to this country and in very short order, warehouses would be stacked to the ceiling in unsold merchandise.
And please, don't even think about strong import tariffs--it never works.



A lot of truth there! I would like to see some things like Johnson Controls being forced to return the Millions of $ in handouts that they received from taxpayers before they moved to Mexico and killed 1400 jobs.

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Fats MAR 07, 01:29 AM
Today I talked with two separate people who said they were voting for Trump.

Both said they voted for President Obama, one said he proudly voted for him and was a lifelong Democrat.

One, a guy from Baltimore, and a member of BLM....... Now a reluctant Trump supporter. (He still thinks Trump is a racist...)

The other, a low wage worker from here in Michigan said she was done with the Democrat Party. Hillary's "problems" and O'Malley being ignored by the Democrat party was her reason for switching.

This is really going to be an interesting election year.

Brad
maryjane MAR 07, 01:38 AM
I just really can't get into it this election cycle, and even tho I usually tend to take a long view of things and how they affect the nation years down the road, I'm gonna leave this one to the younger folks to hash and argue out. They will feel it's effects pro and con more than me--their call.

Oh I'll still vote, but for the first time in decades, it's not going to be an impassioned trip to the polling place by any means.
pokeyfiero MAR 07, 02:00 AM

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Originally posted by maryjane:

I just really can't get into it this election cycle, and even tho I usually tend to take a long view of things and how they affect the nation years down the road, I'm gonna leave this one to the younger folks to hash and argue out. They will feel it's effects pro and con more than me--their call.

Oh I'll still vote, but for the first time in decades, it's not going to be an impassioned trip to the polling place by any means.



This is a last throw of defiance in society's spirit. A blurry resonant cry of the fortitude from ancestors no one cares about.
spark1 MAR 07, 02:32 AM
This is why some are not very excited about voting: