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sourmash
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OCT 13, 04:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Back closer to on topic.
Id say people who vote for socialism think they are voting to raise everyone up.
Reason being essentially they don't think personal responsibilty and accountability works.
They vote to remove personal freedom. |
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Historically that is not universal. It represents a portion. Typically those people work for a government provided income or not at all. I don't believe a majority of those people support socialism. Study political science?
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sourmash
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OCT 13, 04:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
1. I'm thinking you have me confused with someone else. I'm asking YOU, re-read what? |
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What?
| quote | | 2. I'm not confused, still seeking info. But I think you are grouping me in with other people, as if we all think the same. |
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You called yourself a plural "we". Worry about yourself.
| quote | | 3. You can stop diagnosing me with what you think will make you more right, at any time. Its a waste of both our time. |
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You're the one doing the projection. Just knock it off and stop insinuating that I'm a NAZI.
[Quote4]. Thats one big chip on your shoulder. You are so far out in the weeds that responding seems to only dig you deeper as though it will take more than exists to pull you out. [/quote]
Way out in the weeds is EXACTLY what you are hoping for.
[Quote5]. If you would only stick to thoughts and facts instead of accusations. [/quote]
Said the guy defending willie as willie said I have NAZI lightning bolts on my neck while he says he doesnt see people doing such.
| quote | | 6. I never said they were. I'd ask you for your opinion on the answers to leftism, but I tried that once already. Got labelled that I was trying to force you into a narrative. Not that I care what labels you slap on me, but I'm not a fan of spinning my wheels to no avail either. |
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I've had to repeat myself how many times now and you finally revealed your true intent was to provoke a discussion about Israel, when the topic almost never gets brought up. You're not winning credibility points.
| quote | | I'd suggest run a filter of sorts, read your stuff before posting it, pull out all the BS accusations, maybe pretend you are talking to someone you dont have a manufactured contempt for. It just might make you more understood. |
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I'm too busy pulling all the BS statements from your recent posts and willie's.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 10-13-2021).]
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2.5
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OCT 13, 04:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Historically that is not universal. It represents a portion. Typically those people work for a government provided income or not at all. I don't believe a majority of those people support socialism. Study political science? |
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So does that mean the portion that support it but don't do it to raise everyone up, do it to raise themselves up, while not working as hard?
No havent studied political science.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 10-13-2021).]
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2.5
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OCT 13, 04:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
What?
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Exactly.
Stick to topic.
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sourmash
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OCT 13, 04:39 PM
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sourmash
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OCT 13, 04:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
So does that mean the portion that don't do it to raise everyone up, do it to raise themselves up, while not working as hard?
No havent studied political science. |
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Sure. Many. Not all. The point is that they have not been the rule. Are they increasing in our current society? Sure.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 10-13-2021).]
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sourmash
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OCT 13, 04:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
You, Furgal and Boondawg all have said that, but have never been able to provide an example. |
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You call me sourboy. This week was the latest. You don't want to be shown as lying willie. Or maybe you do? I don't think you would see it as a loss.
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2.5
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OCT 13, 05:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Sure. Many. Not all. The point is that they have not been the rule. Are they increasing in our current society? Sure.
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Many, not all, yes applies. So does the largest portion become the rule? What is the rule.
In our society I see some who think socialism will raise everyone up. (If they are hard workers they maybe realize it means they will not get the proper size reward for the hard work, or they may not understand that.) (If they are not hard workers they are lazy)
Some who do it to raise themselves up, while not working as hard as they otherwise would have. (The lazy)
Hard workers who know it will not in the end raise everyone up, and will still result in hard working individuals not receiving the proper size reward for their hard work. (put me in this column and one reason I would vote against it)[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 10-13-2021).]
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williegoat
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OCT 13, 05:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
You call me sourboy. This week was the latest. You don't want to be shown as lying willie. Or maybe you do? I don't think you would see it as a loss. |
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And I will continue to do so, until you act like an adult. Unless, of course you want to identify as a girl. Would you prefer sourgirl? You sure do have thin skin.
I also call MidEngineManiac "MEM" and TheDigitalAlchemist "TDA". You call me willie and boomer. Should I stomp my feet and cry? No, I am an adult.
Come up with a real, consequential example.
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sourmash
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OCT 13, 05:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Many, not all, yes applies. |
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Many perfectly exists as a minority. Many is not the same as "most".
That is obvious in my statement.
| quote | | In our society I see some who think socialism will raise everyone up. (If they are hard workers they maybe realize it means they will not get the proper size reward for the hard work, or they may not understand that.) (If they are not hard workers they are lazy) |
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America is not a meritocracy. Our society is not socialism and the norm is that people who don't work hard get a larger reward and those working very hard are wage slaves. How can this reality not be widely known?
We also spend what, half our life just to pay taxes to government?
| quote | | Some who do it to raise themselves up, while not working as hard as they otherwise would have. (The lazy) |
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You're familiar with the 7 billion people who you just condemned as lazy? What was your context?
Also, why would it be required to work hard to survive dafely and comfortably in life? Why not just fair work for a fair return? Why can it not be the sum of the whole is greater than....., meaning everyone works a little less hard for an equivalent reward since many hands make light work?
| quote | | Hard workers who know it will not in the end raise everyone up, and will still result in hard working individuals not receiving the proper size reward for their hard work. (put me in this column) |
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I've put a career in, and hard work didn't teally mean that much more reward. I'm still known as the example of quality performance. It was a choice and I was paid ok, but if I put the free labor into a part time job the pay off woulda been better. Others who couldn't and wouldn't perform had a more comfortable reward because of corruption in management or corruption of values. This is a capitalism that this occurs in. If a company needs to check a box for someone with a specific degree or certification and tet that person doesn't work....this is normal in our capitalist system.
| quote | | Why would someone be for socialism unless they for see a utopia coming from it where everyone is lifted up, even though that has never happened in all of history? |
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Utopia is a key word. Capitalism is one, as well.
There are people who credibly argue that China is National Socialism. We know the success they have had.
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