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| 230 years of rights and liberties shredded - why i oppose the lockdown (Page 14/24) |
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Lambo nut
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APR 10, 12:13 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I am a dick!
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Apparently.
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Rickady88GT
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APR 10, 12:20 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
You brought up a lot of good points. I live in a large port city. I've managed to avoid mass transit and elevators for the last month. I've been wondering however what the new "etiquette" is right now in regards to elevators. Is everyone expected to ride an elevator all by themselves? Man oh man, it would be a slow process to only shuttle individual riders (or couples/families) on a high-rise elevator! |
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I think people will be standoffish for a while but will adapt and over come. I also think that America will ditch the self quarantine before the green light is given by the Government. The only alternative is to move away from big cities and crowded places, and I doubt that will happen.
I think this virus will make a lasting impact on society and how we interact, but I am not sure exactly how.
For me, it has had little to no effect on me at all. I don't get out that often and I don't really need to shop much. I can order stuff over the Internet and this virus has not stopped the delivery business. So, so far so good. I have no problem social distancing, yet.
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Tony Kania
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APR 10, 12:26 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Canada sucked my rights away, and with it took my balls.
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Patrick
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APR 10, 12:38 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
I think people will be standoffish for a while but will adapt and over come. I also think that America will ditch the self quarantine before the green light is given by the Government.
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Agreed, but... I suspect that people, being people (the world over), will start to slack off the self-quarantine when the number of COVID-19 cases begins to drop. However, that could possibly be a huge mistake and end up triggering a second wave of infections. This is what medical/government officials are no doubt concerned about. It's going to be an interesting next few months for sure.
The true game changer will be the development and distribution of a viable vaccine![This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 04-10-2020).]
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Rickady88GT
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APR 10, 07:32 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Agreed, but... I suspect that people, being people (the world over), will start to slack off the self-quarantine when the number of COVID-19 cases begins to drop. However, that could possibly be a huge mistake and end up triggering a second wave of infections. This is what medical/government officials are no doubt concerned about. It's going to be an interesting next few months for sure.
The true game changer will be the development and distribution of a viable vaccine!
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I think you are correct. The second wave is unavailable, but the severity is the unknown. I heard that a cruise ship had covid19 3 weeks after it was off loaded. If that is true, the 14 day quarantine is useless.
A vaccine will definitely calm people down, but I have doubts about effectiveness.
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longjonsilver
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APR 10, 08:03 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Without a link to the article from which that information was derived, that chart is about as useful as the meme of a rabbit with a pancake on it's head.
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And when i give the link, some here engage in "shoot the messenger" and the site where i got this doesn't provide a link to the raw data or the methodology used to compute the graph. AND if it did, i, personally, wouldn't be able to adequately interpret it.
My point is tho, that there ARE people who have access to the raw data, and CAN interpret it. IF the graph that i posted IS accurate (which it might not be, admittedly) then we as a society are doing the wrong thing in this lockdown. And if the graph is true, then continuing this lockdown is not only wrong, but being done for a hidden agenda. THAT is my concern.
| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Notice that you failed to provide the source of your chart so that the veracity of it could be checked.
It's not like you don't have already have a pattern of pushing wild conspiracy theories or anything.....
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i believe in critical thinking and when things do not add up to me, then i am willing to entertain alternate ideas of why things are the way that they are. i believe that many people are rational and if their actions don't make sense, then maybe they are acting in accordance with a hidden agenda. We all have hidden agendas don't we? Its just when things are political or economic and don't pass the smell test, because of their importance, that i start looking for a hidden agenda. Or should we take everything at face value like a child?
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Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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longjonsilver
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APR 10, 08:11 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Rickady88GT:
The spread of this virus is more complex than a chart seems to show. Many more factors are at play here than just numbers.
The bottom line is that not all States have the same exact risk factors. You can't just assume that all States are equally at risk. |
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Thank you, Rick. Good intelligent discussion on the possible problems with the data. This was the type of reaction i was hoping to elicit.
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Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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Tony Kania
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APR 10, 09:16 AM
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Freedoms you say? Washington State issued a burn ban due to the Chinavirus. No open fires. 
I am pretty sure I will start my evening by breaking Governor Inslee's illegal law. 
Stay safe. Family, Friends, Neighbors...
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cliffw
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APR 10, 10:05 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
the responsibility of government to
a. Provide for the common defense.
b. promote the general welfare of the citizens.
Promoting commerce takes a rear seat to that.
I can put off a project for a few weeks in order to protect myself and others from harm, then it falls to government to do whatever is necessary to at least protect others from my error in judgement.
Some of the bigger stores here are voluntarily doing the same thing. |
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Limiting what can be bought is in the purview of a store. It should not be in the hands of "what government decides". There are many ways to promote things. Mandating is not promoting.
| quote | Originally posted by maryjane: then it falls to government to do whatever is necessary to at least protect others from my error in judgement.
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The errors in your judgement, or theirs ? They can avoid the risk.
You likely know but for informational reference, the meaning of the General Welfare clause of our Constitution has been in contention since it was introduced. As much as the meaning of the Second Amendment. (The third, maybe tied, being the "Freedom from Religion" portion of the First Amendment.)
The conundrum in Tony's information is it is a State government. I still think absent of any kind of special powers authorized by the State legislature such orders are void.
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maryjane
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APR 10, 10:19 AM
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Those orders come about because of people that believe they should be able to do whatever they want to when in a public place of business regardless of the risk that action presents to others.
It's not nearly the first time in history that govt hasorder certain items not be sold.
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