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jmclemore
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MAR 06, 03:54 AM
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Reform Party Plattform
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Trump Positions
In 1999 Trump
explored the idea of running for president
under the Reform Party.
On the issue of David Duke.
I pointed out the comparison between Trumps
positions and the reform party platform. Trump
was a member of the Reform Party and explored
running for President under their name. But chose
to back out and leave the party in 1999 -
| quote | | After a presidential exploratory campaign with the Reform Party, he wrote an OpEd in the New York Times stating that he was leaving the Reform Party because of the involvement of "David Duke, Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani. That is not company I wish to keep." |
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I don't think anyone can determine Trump's real party loyalty
since it seems hard for trump to determine his own party loyalty.
Perhaps he's just looking for a party with supporter so taken for
granted that a politically incorrect voice expressing their frustration
and anger gets a wide welcome even if it only serves to verbally pummel
politicians of both parties, the media and what ever boogie man we can
imagine.....
He is a republican Barack Obama. Except that, he's never been elected,
there's nothing historical about his candidacy and the party for whom
he is running is fighting to reject his nomination.
Cruz opposing Trump? I get it - he's an opponents "for now".
but the upper ranks of the GOP? Have they not figure out that
many of the voters hear their negative changes charges
against Trump and wonder whats the difference. Here is a candidate,
not so dissimilar to themselves, getting enormous support from caucus
and primary voters and all they can talk about is how much of a
fraud, con man or fake he is.Is Trump the right guy for the job, eh
who is. we just don't have many examples of "the right guy" getting
the nomination and winning the election from either party....
I don't think Cruz is going to be able to run down to the senate floor
to protest legislation by executing a 48 hour rant with legs crossed
trying not to pee. On the other hand I'm afraid Trump will run out
to the senate floor and piss on the podium.[This message has been edited by jmclemore (edited 03-06-2016).]
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maryjane
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MAR 06, 09:32 AM
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Well, left or right, one has to be careful when following the masses. Sometimes the 'm' is silent.........
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Wichita
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MAR 06, 11:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jmclemore:
Reform Party Plattform
vs
Trump Positions
In 1999 Trump
explored the idea of running for president
under the Reform Party.
On the issue of David Duke.
I pointed out the comparison between Trumps
positions and the reform party platform. Trump
was a member of the Reform Party and explored
running for President under their name. But chose
to back out and leave the party in 1999 -
I don't think anyone can determine Trump's real party loyalty
since it seems hard for trump to determine his own party loyalty.
Perhaps he's just looking for a party with supporter so taken for
granted that a politically incorrect voice expressing their frustration
and anger gets a wide welcome even if it only serves to verbally pummel
politicians of both parties, the media and what ever boogie man we can
imagine.....
He is a republican Barack Obama. Except that, he's never been elected,
there's nothing historical about his candidacy and the party for whom
he is running is fighting to reject his nomination.
Cruz opposing Trump? I get it - he's an opponents "for now".
but the upper ranks of the GOP? Have they not figure out that
many of the voters hear their negative changes charges
against Trump and wonder whats the difference. Here is a candidate,
not so dissimilar to themselves, getting enormous support from caucus
and primary voters and all they can talk about is how much of a
fraud, con man or fake he is.Is Trump the right guy for the job, eh
who is. we just don't have many examples of "the right guy" getting
the nomination and winning the election from either party....
I don't think Cruz is going to be able to run down to the senate floor
to protest legislation by executing a 48 hour rant with legs crossed
trying not to pee. On the other hand I'm afraid Trump will run out
to the senate floor and piss on the podium.
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I can see where Trump is coming from, because I'm one of those people who places party loyalty down to the bottom. I considered myself a Libertarian and was registered as one in my young days. But I know they never win anything. I still vote for them on the ballot, because I believe in ballot access for 3rd parties and so I want to help them along with that process.
I do know that Political Parties exist to cut down information cost for selecting candidates. Since most people are not informed of the issues, how the political process works, or what function of powers the office really holds, but they can understand what team to root for.
It's like baseball or football. You don't have to understand the players, the rules or how each player and the coach is doing or even all the people you don't see on the field that is involved in having a baseball / football game. You just need to show up and root for your team.
I know it is a little more than that. But that is essentially what it is. But the primaries is where the hard core of party loyalty people come out, which is a small fraction of the electorate.
If you look at the total numbers of people voting, I mean total of all the candidates, it doesn't even reach 6 digits, sometimes its just a few thousand. It's a fraction of who votes in a general election.
Let's look at Maine for example: 8550 for Cruz, 6070 for Trump, 2270 for Kasich, 1492 for Rubio. That is 18K total of people who voted, in fact it probably was the highest turnout for a Republican primary/caucus in the history of Maine.
How many people in Maine votes for Romney in the general election? Almost 300,000. So the people who voted for Cruz is 2% of the people who would voted Republican in the general election in Maine.
That is why I wanted to get involved in the primaries, because it is a small number of people who actually elect the president of the USA.
Kansas Republican Primaries? It is sad. But it is what it is. Cruz think it is a big deal because he won Kansas. Brief history of Kansas primary winners.
2008 - Mike Huckabee
2012 - Rick Santorum
2016 - Ted Cruz
If you win Kansas? Hell, Bernie Sanders won Kansas yesterday. You are going to lose. Even Bob Dole (if anybody knows who he is) said yesterday that Cruz doesn't represent who the electorate is in Kansas, but only the small portion of the Republican Party who tend to be very active and extreme.
Good luck to those who oppose Trump, but I believe he will win the Republican nomination.
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Doni Hagan
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MAR 06, 11:18 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
I think everyone feels that way about WND. (I don't do Breibart so I can't really comment but I've seen enough of MeM and Avengador's posting of WND stuff to know it would be a good place to go if I wanted to find out the latest about Batboy's social acclimation from being found in a cave.)
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"Man Changes Sex.....Marries Self!" 
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jmclemore
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MAR 06, 05:47 PM
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Rush and Chris Wallace : Discuss a potential Trump nomination...
WALLACE: How would you feel...? You talked about him bringing new people into the party. How would you feel if he ends up as the Republican nominee for president?
RUSH: Well, I would feel much of the way that I feel when anybody is elected. Could be... You deal with what you end up getting. I'm not under any illusion, Chris, that I have any ultimate say-so in this. I'm like anybody else that's in media: I've got my opinions; I share them. I'm not afraid of them. But you don't win everything, and, ultimately, you have to take what you get. I think, with the case of Trump, there's a much bigger upside than downside.
A lot of people disagree with me on this. But for the people who want somebody not of Washington, it's serious this time. It's real. The disconnect between the Republican Party establishment -- and the Democrat establishment -- and the people of this country is longer, broader, wider than I have ever seen it. These people in the establishment have been telling us they're the ones to fix everything, and everything they've tried to fix they've botched: TARP, the recession fix such as the stimulus bill. Transcript
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pokeyfiero
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MAR 06, 07:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jmclemore:
Rush and Chris Wallace : Discuss a potential Trump nomination...
WALLACE: How would you feel...? You talked about him bringing new people into the party. How would you feel if he ends up as the Republican nominee for president?
RUSH: Well, I would feel much of the way that I feel when anybody is elected. Could be... You deal with what you end up getting. I'm not under any illusion, Chris, that I have any ultimate say-so in this. I'm like anybody else that's in media: I've got my opinions; I share them. I'm not afraid of them. But you don't win everything, and, ultimately, you have to take what you get. I think, with the case of Trump, there's a much bigger upside than downside.
A lot of people disagree with me on this. But for the people who want somebody not of Washington, it's serious this time. It's real. The disconnect between the Republican Party establishment -- and the Democrat establishment -- and the people of this country is longer, broader, wider than I have ever seen it. These people in the establishment have been telling us they're the ones to fix everything, and everything they've tried to fix they've botched: TARP, the recession fix such as the stimulus bill. Transcript
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I'm afraid Trump wont do much but create drama and in the end not really do anything. Then Big Gov gets to say they were right all along and people will comply.
So vote for Hillary. Let her assist in the degradation without an interruption that would leave open a line of attack.
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Thunderstruck GT
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MAR 06, 07:22 PM
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What all the skeptics and politicians are afraid of is that Trump might actually kick some ass and straighten this place out.
Face it, every successful businessman that has ever ran for political office had "the establishment" fight against them tooth 'n nail.
"The Establishment" is afraid that a businessman might run this country like a business, which is what it is. Only, it's a business that has run amok due to too many chiefs and not enough Indians.
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pokeyfiero
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MAR 06, 07:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:
What all the skeptics and politicians are afraid of is that Trump might actually kick some ass and straighten this place out.
Face it, every successful businessman that has ever ran for political office had "the establishment" fight against them tooth 'n nail.
"The Establishment" is afraid that a businessman might run this country like a business, which is what it is. Only, it's a business that has run amok due to too many chiefs and not enough Indians. |
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Today
By end of second year as President.
Republicans explaining why they should all vote Democrat so Trump doesn't get second term.
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jmclemore
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MAR 06, 08:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:
What all the skeptics and politicians are afraid of is that Trump might actually kick some ass and straighten this place out.
Face it, every successful businessman that has ever ran for political office had "the establishment" fight against them tooth 'n nail.
"The Establishment" is afraid that a businessman might run this country like a business, which is what it is. Only, it's a business that has run amok due to too many chiefs and not enough Indians. |
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Lets remember Trump is a skilled negotiator.
What we are seeing is flamboyant showmanship.
When he gets into office he has 1 goal and 2 options
to get to goal.
Make this a better world for Trump
Opt 1 - gain control by transforming the establishment
hierarchy into his pawns.
Opt 2 - destroy the hierarchy by flooding them out with his
own pawns to establish a new hierarchy.
There are things Trump may do that benefit the private sector
but he will only be doing it to improve his advantage in the private sector.
Lets say Trump does manage to (force) influence companies
to bring production back from abroad, how many of those companies
are going to be able to afford the massive retooling, rebuilding, rehiring,
retraining, etc to accomplish it. How many agreements are going to be
broken that included access to foreign markets that benefit domestic
companies with employees still operating here. Now thats a lot of
construction and I bet he has a long list of contractors just waiting for
large projects....
He would be in a position to influence gov contracts.
He would definitely have cabinet members heading gov agencies who
already award grants associated with their mission. If you think I'm
wrong, imagine how they would look to the public at large if they were
arguing against bring jobs back to America. Trump : all they had to do
was authorize a 500 billion restoring American jobs program to rebuild
our manufacturing capability. But they say no. I guess it's only okay
when it's Bank, insurance and GM that needs a bailout.
This Guy's net worth could sky rocket to become the richest man on earth
before his first term ends.
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maryjane
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MAR 06, 09:04 PM
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| quote | If you think I'm
wrong, imagine how they would look to the public at large if they were
arguing against bring jobs back to America. Trump : all they had to do
was authorize a 500 billion restoring American jobs program to rebuild
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Not to upset the apple cart or go off on a tangent, but those jobs aren't coming back in any great numbers short of some sort of global catastrophe.
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