The evidence against anthropogenic global warming (Page 14/600)
Phranc JUL 27, 02:52 PM
There already is climate change in the curriculum. Its covered when they go over the ice age.
fierobear JUL 27, 03:01 PM
More on scared kids and indoctrination...

Climate Change Scenarios Scare, and Motivate, Kids

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The boy has drawn, in his third-grade class, a global warming timeline that is his equivalent of the mushroom cloud.

"That's the Earth now," the 9-year-old says, pointing to a dark shape at the bottom. "And then," he says, tracing the progressively lighter stripes across the page, "it's just starting to fade away."

Alex Hendel of Arlington County is talking about the end of life on our beleaguered planet. Looking up to make sure his mother is following along, he taps the final stripe, which is so sparsely dotted it is almost invisible. "In 20 years," he pronounces, "there's no oxygen." Then, to dramatize the point, he collapses, "dead," to the floor.

(Wow. No oxygen. Dead. I'll bet the warmists are ecstatic that they've succeeded in scaring the s*** out of 8 year olds. Good job, warmists. )

For many children and young adults, global warming is the atomic bomb of today. Fears of an environmental crisis are defining their generation in ways that the Depression, World War II, Vietnam and the Cold War's lingering "War Games" etched souls in the 20th century.

Parents say they're searching for "productive" outlets for their 8-year-olds' obsessions with dying polar bears. Teachers say enrollment in high school and college environmental studies classes is doubling year after year. And psychologists say they're seeing an increasing number of young patients preoccupied by a climactic Armageddon.

"Our parents had the civil rights and antiwar movements," says Meredith Epstein, 20, who grew up in Rockville and is now a junior at St. Mary's College of Maryland. "But for us, this is what we need to take immediate action on."

(I guess every generation needs their "cause")

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"And they're looking ahead and going, 'Hey -- when we have kids, our kids are going to be messed up because of this, and we need to start doing something now.' "

Goldstein adds: "In my practice, they bring this up. Some of the kids are scared, and it's interesting, because I've seen an evolution. . . . Kids used to have fears of war and nuclear annihilation. That's dissipated and been replaced by global warming."

It's not just a U.S. phenomenon: A United Kingdom survey, by the Somerfield supermarket chain, of 1,150 youngsters age 7 to 11 found that half felt anxious about global warming -- and many were losing sleep over it, convinced that animal species will soon die out and that they, themselves, will be victims of global warming.

After 8-year-old Mollie Passacantando, daughter of Greenpeace USA's executive director, read a story about polar bears in class this year, the Fairfax County youngster and her friends spent recess marching around the playground with signs reading, "Stop global warming. Save the polar bears." A classmate taunted, "You can march all you want, but you're not going to save a single polar bear."

That riled Mollie up. With her father, John Passacantando, she started a blog to get the polar bear put on the endangered species list.

"I have heard from friends and work colleagues around the country," says Mollie's mother, Lisa Guide, "that global warming is a subject that can be stressful to children. Mollie was so concerned . . . we really felt it was important to help her do something constructive."

(It doesn't matter whether the Polar Bears are *really* endangered, which they aren't. Just DO SOMETHING!!!!)

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The number of interested students, both elementary-age and older, keeps booming. In 2003, 65 U.S. and Canadian colleges joined the Energy Action Coalition's drive to raise awareness about global warming. One year later, there were 280 campuses. By February, that number was 587.

"I think it's been exponential in growth," says Matt Stern, campus director for the Chesapeake Climate Action Network, describing the numbers of students fighting global warming's dire predictions: massive sea-level risings, drought, famine, widespread disease.

"If you follow global warming, every prediction is scarier than the prior one. It's really scary stuff. Global warming is this huge uncertainty, and we see it compromising our future.

"So much of going to school," he says, "is getting an education and preparing yourself for the future. But . . . what's the use of a college degree when Wall Street is under water?"

(Wall Street, under water. Geez.)

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At Sherwood High School in Sandy Spring, Laura Dinerman's AP environmental science class has grown by an entire classroom each year: She started with 22 students, is teaching two classes this year and next year expects to have 66 students -- at least three classes, "if it doesn't go up," she says.

Dinerman has also seen a blossoming interest this year in the school's environmental club (mission statement: "Change the World"). Just under 10 teenagers were active last year; 90 have signed up this year, an increase helped by an aggressive marketing campaign and Al Gore's documentary "An Inconvenient Truth." Gore is this generation's Bob Dylan; "Truth" is its "Blowin' in the Wind."

(Despite loads of inaccuracies, exaggeration and outright bullshit, An Inconvenient Truth is now in every classroom, and is being taught as science.)

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"This message about global warming is so powerful," Bronstein says. "It gives me hope for the human race because people are responsive to it." He also encourages anxiety about the planet's future, comparing enviro-fears to "any suffering in your life: The first step is denial, and then there's a sense of doom, and then you have to get up and shake it off and change something."

Which is exactly what happened when 9-year-old Alyssa Luz-Ricca's mother returned from a business trip to Costa Rica with a T-shirt of a colorful frog and the words "Extinction is forever." Alyssa looked at the T-shirt and, she says, "I cried."

"She cried very hard," clarifies her mother, Karen Luz of Arlington.

"I don't like global warming," Alyssa continues, her eyes huge and serious behind her glasses, a stardust of freckles across her nose, "because it kills animals, and I like animals."

She dreams of solar-powered cars and has put a recycling basket for mail, office and school paper in the corner of her family's dining room. She made another recycling box for her third-grade English teacher's classroom at Key Elementary School and has persuaded her mother to start composting. At Key, she also organized an effort among her classmates to pick up playground trash at recess.

Marvel at any of her efforts, though, and she looks confused: Everyone should be doing all this -- and more -- to save the environment.

"I worry about it," says this girl who has yet to lose all her baby teeth, "because I don't want to die."

(They have a 9-year-old girl convinced that global warming is going to KILL her. Lovely, isn't it?)


Phranc JUL 27, 03:42 PM
I saw a commercial the other day about the dire needs of the polar bears and they are all dying.... To bad its a bunch of crap and polar bears are flourishing. The polar bears numbers are stagnated and kept in check with hunting. Yes hunting by Canadians is the biggest threat to polar bears. Its pretty messed up they have to lie and lie a lot to push this agenda.
fierobear JUL 27, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Phranc:

I saw a commercial the other day about the dire needs of the polar bears and they are all dying.... To bad its a bunch of crap and polar bears are flourishing. The polar bears numbers are stagnated and kept in check with hunting. Yes hunting by Canadians is the biggest threat to polar bears. Its pretty messed up they have to lie and lie a lot to push this agenda.



Indeed, which is why I keep up the fight.
fierobear JUL 27, 06:03 PM
Here are two videos, each about 8 minutes long, from climate scientist Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama Huntsville. He also works with NASA on their climate satellites. These video show a talk he gave about a paper he wrote (published in a science journal) about how the IPCC climate models and their positive feedbacks are wrong.

part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos49g1sdzo
part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watc...W-ik&feature=related
AusFiero JUL 27, 08:15 PM
The Australian government is using this farce as a way of getting more money. They have decided to bring in the good old paying for carbon credits BS. Stuffed if I know how that actually reduces emissions. Seems to me it is just a way to make people pay for the privelage.

All the data I have seen over time doesn't convince me. Past temperature change graphs overlaid over past major volcanic eruptions graphs brings a temperature spike every time. Overlay the C02 graphs and just after the temperature warming the C02 levels rise.

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4-mulaGT JUL 28, 12:39 AM
the post about the children almost made me tear my keyboard in half.

it gives me a sick feeling inside, I seriously want to go into EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL and teach them that at least there is ANOTHER SIDE,

I can already see the maelstrom that is coming, seriously consider the implications of this kind of thinking.

no wonder I "cling to my guns and bible"
fierobear AUG 03, 09:57 PM
Copied from the other thread...

NO EVIDENCE OF GLOBAL WARMING IN SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE
http://ray-dox.blogspot.com...obal-warming-in.html

Ice cores show previous warming that was greater than current, and the ice did not melt completely.

From an article in Science Magazine, by experts in Greenland and temperature data from boreholes in the ice:
Past Temperatures Directly from the Greenland Ice Sheet

Histograms from the GRIP reconstruction
(Fig. 3) show that temperatures at the Last
Glacial Maximum (LGM) were 23 6 2 K
colder than at present (21). The temperatures
at this time, 25 ka, reflect the cold temperatures
seen on the measured temperature profile at a
depth of 1200 to 2000 m. Alternative reconstructions
of the ice thickness and accumulation
rates all reproduce LGM temperatures within 2
K (9, 10, 22, 23). The cold Younger Dryas and
the warm Bølling/Allerød periods (24) are not
resolved in the inverse reconstruction. The temperature
signals of these periods have been
obliterated by thermal diffusion because of their
short duration (25). After the termination of the
glacial period, temperatures in our record increase
steadily, reaching a period 2.5 K warmer
than present during what is referred to as the
Climatic Optimum (CO), at 8 to 5 ka. Following
the CO, temperatures cool to a minimum of
0.5 K colder than the present at around 2 ka.
The record implies that the medieval period
around 1000 A.D. was 1 K warmer than present
in Greenland. Two cold periods, at 1550 and
1850 A.D., are observed during the Little Ice
Age (LIA) with temperatures 0.5 and 0.7 K
below the present. After the LIA, temperatures
reach a maximum around 1930 A.D.; temperatures
have decreased during the last decades
(26). The climate history for the most recent
times is in agreement with direct measurements
in the Arctic regions (27). The climate history
for the last 500 years agrees with the general
understanding of the climate in the Arctic region
(28) and can be used to verify the temperature
amplitudes. The results show that the
temperatures in general have decreased since
the CO and that no warming in Greenland is
observed in the most recent decades.
As seen in Fig. 3, resolution decreases back



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According to the data in the graph, it was warmer - MUCH warmer in Greenland in the past. So why didn't all the ice melt then? Why would we believe it will melt NOW?

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So Much For Flooded Cities: Greenland Ice Loss Not Increasing
http://www.dailytech.com/So...ing/article12277.htm

fierobear AUG 03, 09:58 PM
Here is another graph of Greenland's temperatures, taken from ice boreholes. Source:pdf file

Notice that the temperatures were hotter than the present in Greenland, and it was hotter for 1200 (TWELVE HUNDRED) years. And the ice did not melt.

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fierobear AUG 03, 10:00 PM
Flaws in the IPCC process

1. There are scientists - quite a few, in fact - who are part of the so called "consensus" who do NOT agree with the final conclusion that "man is causing warming, period."
2. These scientists will tell you that the IPCC does not do any research or measuring of climate. The assimilate papers from climate scientists and have reviewers publish a "summary for policymakers". In many cases, the people who wrote those papers are reviewing their own work. So much for "peer review". The fox is guarding the henhouse.
3. The IPCC cherrypicks info and data that supports their conclusion, and rejects data that refutes their conclusion.
4. The process is about politics, not science.

Here are some links regarding the flawed IPCC process:

Many links about IPCC flaws *****
http://mclean.ch/climate/IPCC.htm

IPCC bias (Part I of AGW doubts)
http://www.john-daly.com/guests/un_ipcc.htm

Problems with the IPCC reports
http://www.amlibpub.com/lib...-warming-report.html

Peer review? What peer review?
http://scienceandpublicpoli...nals/peerreview.html

Changes made to IPCC report after review - pdf file
http://stephenschneider.sta...apers/WSJ_June12.pdf

IPCC's contaminated data (Part II of AGW doubts)
http://www.nationalpost.com...story.html?id=145245

The IPCC's flawed selection of scientists, cherry picking of info
http://www.nationalpost.com...8dd-1e3ff42df34f&p=1

Errors in IPCC climate science
http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/

IPCC Nobel winner calls IPCC report: "Dishonest Political Tampering with the Science..."
http://www.freerepublic.com...f-news/1940211/posts

Economic Formulas in IPCC Report Criticized for Overstating Emissions
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=22786

IPCC report criticized by one of its lead authors
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=1069

'Scientific consensus' not represented in the IPCC documents: scientist
http://www.thehilltimes.ca/...gust/13/letter4/&c=1

IPCC process is unscientific and flawed, say other scientists
http://www.hilltimes.com/ht.../may/28/letter4/&c=1

Vice Chair of IPCC Breaks Global Warming Consensus
http://letters.salon.com/te...ion_2/view/?show=all

Climate panel on the hot seat
http://www.washingtontimes..../702895001/home.html

No consensus on IPCC's level of ignorance
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7081331.stm

IPCC's assessment of CO2 affect is wrong.
Video titled Analysing the IPCC`s climate change models
Description: "Bill Kininmonth, the head of Australia`s National Climate Centre from 86 - 98 looks at the climate change issue and the IPCC`s projections to see if they are logical or not"