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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 15, 08:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Considering I have only discussed race/sex/gender as a way to better understand how we can be integrated, it’s not remotely appropriate. |
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I don't understand this... what is there to discuss? Do you not have any female friends, or friends who are of different races? What is it that you need to understand?
People are all equal... they are, there's nothing to discuss. The only difference between people is attitude.
If you're a victim, you will always be a victim.
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blackrams
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JAN 15, 11:42 PM
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 Hmm. Seems like a perfect choice to represent the Harris/Biden administration.
We'll see how this turns out. 
Rams
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cliffw
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JAN 16, 07:53 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I am thinking about it from the perspective of today. |
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You are thinking in the perspective of what you have been told to think today.
| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Colored person" came into vogue as a more respectful wording than "negro." But as time went by, "colored person" came to be rather widely perceived as yet another dismissive and not particularly respectful way of saying it, and so now we have "person of color" which has a formality and a "feeling" of respectfulness that goes one better than "colored person." It elevates the idea of "color" and transforms it into something more than a mere visual descriptor of the amount of melanin in a person's complexion. |
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A rose by any other name is still a rose.
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cliffw
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JAN 17, 12:22 AM
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A 911 call.
Dispatcher : "Hello. What is your emergency ? "
Caller: "Someone just got shot on X street."
Dispatcher : "Did you see who did it ?"
Caller: Yes. "A person of color."
Dispatcher : "Describe his clothing ?"
Caller: "A shirt of color. Pants of a different color"
Dispatcher : "Was it a male or female ? "
Caller : "I don't know how they self identify. "
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rinselberg
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JAN 17, 12:31 AM
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Under most of the circumstances that I can imagine--it actually doesn't happen that often for me--I would be more likely to want to refer to a "person of color" as a "black" man, woman (or whatever) than a "colored person"--or a "person of color" which would only come to mind within a kind of formalized or official context.
Of course, if it's not that color, but some other color, I would think of saying he or she is Asian-looking, or Southeast Asian-looking. Or "Indian" although that could get into a follow-up about whether it's the Indian subcontinent or "Indian" as in Indigenous American.
Maybe it's different out there in armadillo country.
 [This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-17-2021).]
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williegoat
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JAN 17, 01:22 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Maybe it's different out there in armadillo country.
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In Texas, I think they just say "Y' ain't from 'round here, are ya?"
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sourmash
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JAN 17, 09:14 AM
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American Indian. Asian Indian. America has no indigenous people. We're a nation of immigrants.
Maybe Whites should identify as Colored People since we have all different eye and hair colors?
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maryjane
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JAN 17, 09:19 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
In Texas, I think they just say "Y' ain't from 'round here, are ya?" |
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Willie, that is one word.
yaint.
It's an East Texas thing. Out West around the Concho and Pecos, it's more like
[spit down between the newcomer's feet, then] "Who are ya, where the hell did ya come from and how'd you get so dumb?"[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-17-2021).]
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Jake_Dragon
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JAN 17, 04:42 PM
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And just like that... [This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 01-21-2021).]
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theBDub
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JAN 19, 12:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I don't understand this... what is there to discuss? Do you not have any female friends, or friends who are of different races? What is it that you need to understand?
People are all equal... they are, there's nothing to discuss. The only difference between people is attitude.
If you're a victim, you will always be a victim. |
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If only everyone believed this, we wouldn't have any issues. I agree with you. Unfortunately, history shows that people haven't always thought this way, and people still don't always think this way. This creates a real (not just perceived due to attitude) imbalance of power.
Like I said, one of the "options" for "how to solve this" is to do nothing and wait. I believe equality of opportunity will eventually come without any actions, albeit slowly. I don't even think it's a bad decision. The only thing I was suggesting, was that Social Justice isn't the craziest idea in the world--it's responding to real concerns. Sometimes it goes too far, but when you understand the background of it, it's a lot easier to find that compromise vs. just pretending the issue doesn't exist at all.
To put it simply:
- If I were to say "Social Justice is a disease, and racist in nature. People are equal, so it's not worth the conversation," then you are ignoring current issues where people aren't equal due to recent policies.
- If I were to say "We should not act on existing imbalance of power. Yes, it sucks that there are still waves from past policies and decisions, but we shouldn't make bad decisions today because of bad decisions yesterday," then you are acknowledging the current issues, but you have a personal stance that any Social Justice decisions implemented today are the wrong idea.
I'd suggest that second option is a lot more powerful.
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