An American 2nd Amendment thread (Page 13/23)
2.5 FEB 25, 11:18 AM




They have already ignored "shall not be infringed".



Yes indeed this debate will continue to rage on.

They never stop pushing for more infringements.


this is worth sharing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq-uISiCt4s

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williegoat FEB 25, 03:04 PM
Trey Gowdy, Colion Noir and Penn and Teller are some of my favorite voices of reason.

edit: Well I suppose, technically, Teller is not a voice of anything.

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rinselberg FEB 26, 12:11 AM
If you go back to my previous message at the very end of Page 3 in this thread, about the op-ed from Ioan Grillo, you would be looking at my previous message . . .

Bet you didn't see that one coming.

Ioan Grillo's thinking starts with the NICS. He wants a more complete implementation of the NICS, nationwide, extending it to purchases at gun shows and "private sales." It's an op-ed, and he's not expressing the specificity and level of detail that would seem to be called for in the drafting of actual legislation, but that's his direction.

Does anyone think that the NICS is going to be canceled in the foreseeable future?

I think it's here to stay, and I think that suggests a very logical question for 2A supporters, 2A enthusiasts and 2A fundamentalists alike.

Is it nobler to endure the slings and arrows of an expansion of the NICS regime to include gun shows and private sales, or to take arms against this idea when the NICS in its current manifestation already resembles a literally permanent fixture of the American 2A landscape for as far ahead as the eye can see?

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olejoedad FEB 26, 07:23 AM
As the retina absords light that travels to the eye for neural processing to create vision, we can only see the past.

Tha NICS has always lacked the proper funding for full implementation as written.

Gun show sales are covered under the NICS, and always have been if the seller is a FFL holder.
Private sales were specifically and intentionally excluded from the NICS legislation.

Now go do your homework and report back as to why that exclusion was written into the statute.
2.5 FEB 26, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
Does anyone think that the NICS is going to be canceled in the foreseeable future?

I think it's here to stay, and I think that suggests a very logical question for 2A supporters, 2A enthusiasts and 2A fundamentalists alike.

Is it nobler to endure the slings and arrows of an expansion of the NICS regime to include gun shows and private sales, or to take arms against this idea when the NICS in its current manifestation already resembles a literally permanent fixture of the American 2A landscape for as far ahead as the eye can see?




The answer to the question you didn't ask on this post is yes, NICS is an infringement to the American citizens right, that the 2nd Amendment explains. Noble could perhaps be defined as disallowing any further infringement.
2.5 FEB 26, 01:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5NU4wp4CZY
sourmash FEB 26, 10:04 PM
Gov't will continue to knowingly arm their chosen narco gangs through allowing Fast and Furious NICS straw purchases.

Gun control isn't about erroneously wanting to lower illegal gun usage. It's only about removing the right from lawful users of the right.
rinselberg FEB 28, 05:11 AM
A "slice of life" in the age of NICS.

This is some text from a report that I essentially came upon just by chance.

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A Nevada man is facing multiple charges after being accused of purchasing 283 guns in Utah and selling them in Las Vegas.

[name REDACTED; sex Male; age 32] of Las Vegas, is charged with nine counts of making a false statement, one count of dealing in firearms without a license, and one count of travel within the United State with intent to violate federal law by dealing firearms without a license, according to an indictment.

Charges allege [REDACTED] purchased approximately 283 guns in Utah in 2020. Using a conservative estimate, he spent about $176,000 on the guns, including 147 Glock pistols.

[REDACTED] came to the attention of agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives in Salt Lake City in July after purchasing a large number of firearms during May, June, July, and August throughout Utah.

Agents received federal firearms licensees with numerous locations across the state that [REDACTED] firearms purchases were suspicious in nature given the multiple purchases he made and different explanations he offered to store employees during the transactions, according to the Utah U.S. Attorney's Office.

The ATF also received a tip that [REDACTED] was trafficking the guns in Las Vegas.

According to the indictment, ATF firearms tracing shows that firearms originally purchased by [REDACTED] have been recovered in California by law enforcement officers investigating various crimes.

All 19 of the recovered firearms were recovered within a short time-to-crime ratio of between 2 and 91 days. One of the recovered firearms was used to commit a double murder [in California], according to the complaint.

Under federal law, FFLs are required to send a report to ATF when there is a sale of multiple firearms to the same purchaser within a short period of time. ATF uses the information to investigate potential firearms trafficking cases.

Each count of making a false statement during the acquisition of firearms carries a potential sentence of 10 years in federal prison. Dealing in firearms without a license has a potential five-year sentence. The final count of the indictment, travel within the United States with intent to violate federal law prohibiting dealing in firearms without a license, has a maximum sentence of 10 years.


"Man charged in firearms trafficking case after buying 283 guns in Utah"
McKenzie Stauffer for KUTV, Utah; October 14, 2020.
https://kutv.com/news/local...ing-283-guns-in-utah

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sourmash FEB 28, 10:52 AM
How come the ATF officials weren't charged with murder in Fast & Furious for telling gun shops to approve the sale of arms when the shops told the ATF they knew the individuals were making straw purchases?
One of those rifles was used to kill a Border agent. Gov't was the cause and problem.

One of the mass shooters not long ago wasn't supposed to own arms but NICS approved the sale. Gov't isn't the answer.

The Utah man had probably been warned previously. It's common, but not mandatory, for the ATF to confront and inform private dealers at shows when they're violating this or that. If you do it again they'll let you hang yourself, but usually after the 3rd time while you continue to do it. They'll also falsely accuse your compadres, even confiscating their arms and charging them. Saw it happen to the brother of a man who was dealing guns without a license. His brother wasn't proven to be but still cost him $20k for a lawyer. The agents damaged some of his arms which was just tough crap for him.
2.5 MAR 03, 03:59 PM
Oh, Canada...

Watching how Canada gets screwed will give tips on similar ways they may try and screw us in the future.

At the 3:24 min mark he gets started




The above is an air gun channel, so he takes note that BB, Pellet, and paintball guns are screwed too....

Another effect, nothing for kids to learn on = no future enthusiasts.

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