Any socialism fans in the house? (Page 12/21)
2.5 OCT 12, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

I edited several things while you were replying.



My response is no less valid , nor is Willies.

Sometimes it seem your point is just to say everything sucks there is no answer, no good, and nothing works. Care to show that is not your point?
sourmash OCT 12, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:
My response is no less valid , nor is Willies.

Sometimes it seem your point is just to say everything sucks there is no answer, no good, and nothing works. Care to show that is not your point?



Nor is mine or you would have found fault with what I posted. If I find the same opening in his post that can be reversed with real life examples, doesnt that mean there is a big blind spot in his post?

The percentage of people who can look at both sides of the argument critically is incredibly small, sadly. And I don't fit into the narrative that you have tried to force me into on the past 2 topics we've discussed. If something doesn't jibe in your perspective but you can't find flaw in what is presented then maybe it's your perspective that needs a little introspective?

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2.5 OCT 13, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:


Nor is mine or you would have found fault with what I posted.




My response already showed the fault in what you posted after it, which made me wonder if you read it. I dont keep chasing tails when things are overlooked or ignored, intentionally or not.


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Originally posted by sourmash:

I don't fit into the narrative that you have tried to force me into on the past 2 topics we've discussed.




As I clearly said before, in the thread where you apparently thought I was trying to force something on you. I seek to understand. I am willing to bet many people here on PFF do not understand what you stand for. Perhaps you want it that way. But it doesnt accomplish much if so, in my opinion. You are making up an enemy that doesnt exist, a virtual chip on your shoulder. It might make it easier, but it makes your words mean less.

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Jake_Dragon OCT 13, 01:47 PM
Any antisocialists fans in the house
sourmash OCT 13, 02:27 PM

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My response already showed the fault in what you posted after it, which made me wonder if you read it. I dont keep chasing tails when things are overlooked or ignored, intentionally or not.



You are wrong and stating opinion about your own false statement. willie claimed NAZIs are lazy because socialism. Everyone in the world would completely disagree. I stated the obvious. You claimed his statement is valid. So you are saying that a strongman authoritarian government was lazy. How much more erroneous could your position be?



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BY ME:

I don't fit into the narrative that you have tried to force me into on the past 2 topics we've discussed.



I don't. People shouldn't try to bend me into what I'm not. That's willie's and blackrams' approach. You have historically been better than that. Just because I'm factually pointing out the flaws of the right and the left and you feel triggered about the right being outed doesnt mean I'm a leftist or a radical anything.


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As I clearly said before, in the thread where you apparently thought I was trying to force something on you. I seek to understand. I am willing to bet many people here on PFF do not understand what you stand for. Perhaps you want it that way. But it doesnt accomplish much if so, in my opinion. You are making up an enemy that doesnt exist, a virtual chip on your shoulder. It might make it easier, but it makes your words mean less.



False. Since you haven't disproved a thing I've posted on this topic, and making a statement about issues is the side that I represent, aren't you trying to NOT understand me unless you can pin me to some political machine?

What it appears to me is that you're still fishing for some affiliation from me that you can discount on a personal level instead of discussing the issues.

I've suggested solutions in the last thread and repeatedly on many threads. You can see them if you're trying.
williegoat OCT 13, 02:43 PM
You seem to have a great deal of difficulty with retention and comprehension of information.

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Originally posted by sourmash:

willie claimed NAZIs are lazy because socialism. Everyone in the world would completely disagree. I stated the obvious. You claimed his statement is valid. So you are saying that a strongman authoritarian government was lazy. How much more erroneous could your position be?


My observation is again applicable.

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Your assertion has absolutely no relation to anything that I actually said. This is a perfect example of why you believe the things that you do.

Someone could say, "The sky is blue", but you would hear, "A cat ate my hippopotamus".
Then you would argue that it cannot be true because you are the only one who knows (for an absolute fact) that rhinoceroses have three eyeballs.




This is what I actually said:

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by williegoat:

Yep, socialism, including the Nazi version, appeals to some because it allows them to blame someone else for their failures. Capitalism, on the other hand, encourages people to improve their own lives. This does not appeal to lazy people.

Socialists say, "It's not my fault". Capitalists say, "A rising tide lifts all boats."


Are you Joe Biden?
williegoat OCT 13, 02:47 PM
Joe Biden gets angry and has difficulty with language when he gets confused, too.

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2.5 OCT 13, 03:01 PM
Make sure you arent arguing with me as if I am someone else here, I dont represent anyone else, I assume you do not either.


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Originally posted by sourmash:
You are wrong and stating opinion about your own false statement.



What is my false statement?


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Originally posted by sourmash:willie claimed NAZIs are lazy because socialism.



No actually you inferred that. Go ahead and ask him if thats what he said.
Here is his quote:
"Yep, socialism, including the Nazi version, appeals to some because it allows them to blame someone else for their failures. Capitalism, on the other hand, encourages people to improve their own lives. This does not appeal to lazy people."
I'll add two questions: who did Hitler blame for their societies Ills, who needed to be "removed"? Now I'm no expert but here is my other question , you probably know this, were all german citizens Nazis? Was there a public that the nazi's tried to influence?


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Originally posted by sourmash:
People shouldn't try to bend me into what I'm not. That's willie's and blackrams' approach. You have historically been better than that. Just because I'm factually pointing out the flaws of the right and the left and you feel triggered about the right being outed doesnt mean I'm a leftist or a radical anything.



Here's the thing we dont know what you believe, so I wouldnt be shocked it people ask questions in order to learn more. You can claim people are triggered, it equates to name calling though. I havent seen anyone claim you are a " leftist or a radical anything." so I'm not sure why you brought that up.


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Originally posted by sourmash:
Since you haven't disproved a thing I've posted on this topic, and making a statement about issues is the side that I represent, aren't you trying to NOT understand me unless you can pin me to some political machine?

What it appears to me is that you're still fishing for some affiliation from me that you can discount on a personal level instead of discussing the issues.

I've suggested solutions in the last thread and repeatedly on many threads. You can see them if you're trying.



Like I said I don't know what you believe. Leaving that metaphoric barn door open to interpretation and only making wide swooping claims will allow all the cows to get out and its hard to get them back in, lol. The closest I've come is things adding up to you not liking Isreal, and not liking the US. Next to that sympathetic claims for Nazis. I know there are such things as devils advocates, but when that is all they are they dont accomplish much. Usually the devils advocate is an approach to get to a point.

Sounds like we are misunderstanding each other on top of all the rest. I will say I have not seen anything resembling solutions suggested. Maybe I missed them. (Also I dont read all threads) I dont "pin people to political machines". I treat people as individuals. Though yes typically groups of people thinking like minded do get things done, lol. At the very least I do like to hear what they believe, what they want to see happen, for example, its even nice to know why, or how.

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sourmash OCT 13, 03:03 PM
Your statemwnt is clear; Germans supported the National Socialists because it was the lazy thing to do and Germans in the Weimar were not being turned into victims of a new Sodom. Hyperinflation and starvation is laziness and looking to blame others for making them.starve. They weren't being brutalized by Poles or others. They weren't being bilked for war costs.

You're the guy who called Trump supporters White supremacists exactly like BLM, Antifa and radicals do, and it's most likely so you can virtue signal to save your neck if it comes your time for the radicals to come after you. You'll throw others under the bus instead. You have a typical non-conservative position. Why are you upset if I observe it? Just be you.
2.5 OCT 13, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by sourmash:

Your statemwnt is clear; Germans supported the National Socialists because it was the lazy thing to do and Germans in the Weimar were not being turned into victims of a new Sodom. Hyperinflation and starvation is laziness and looking to blame others for making them.starve. They weren't being brutalized by Poles or others. They weren't being bilked for war costs.

You're the guy who called Trump supporters White supremacists exactly like BLM, Antifa and radicals do, and it's most likely so you can virtue signal to save your neck if it comes your time for the radicals to come after you. You'll throw others under the bus instead. You have a typical non-conservative position. Why are you upset if I observe it? Just be you.



Make sure to quote who you are speaking to, I;m not sure who it is.