All political threads temporarily moved to the Trash Can (Page 11/12)
2.5 FEB 24, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

Cliff, first of all... thank-you thank-you for creating the Politics & Religion sub-section. Much appreciated.

I'm so glad that members here who enjoy political "discussion" now have their own little corner to reside in where they can focus on resolving world problems.

May I make one suggestion in regards to O/T (and this may've already been requested)?

It's inevitable that a perfectly fine O/T thread will be "sabotaged" by inappropriate political comments. May I suggest that instead of the entire thread then being banished to the new sub-section, that the offending post simply be deleted from the thread? These inappropriate posts could be reported to you in the usual manner, and it probably wouldn't take much of a gander by you to determine that comments about Nazis, Leftists, Trump, Biden, Trudeau, whomever/whatever don't belong in a thread about composting. Well, maybe they do, but I think you catch my drift. Thanks.




That type of censorship sounds worse to me than putting threads into the trashcan. IMO
2.5 FEB 24, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:


I really, really, really don't like deleting posts. I only very seldomly do and usually because it's actually requested by the poster (and even then, I'll only delete a post if I deem it in the best interest of all parties involved).

I have been thinking about an "upvote/downvote" option (or like/dislike if you prefer to call it that). If a post receives many downvotes, it is minimized in the thread. Meaning you only see one line, with poster's name and a small text "this post is hidden due to downvoting". To read the post, you'd have to click it.

This way, posts will not be deleted and it can actually become visible again when people remove their downvote, or it receives enough upvotes to offset de downvotes.



His would be bad censorship as well, even if it was publicly chosen censorship. IMO
People need to stop being offended by words.
2.5 FEB 24, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by Hudini:

The upvote/ downvote thing only works if a majority of users agree with each other. If most here are conservative you will not see liberal points because they will get voted out. Imgur is that way. You can’t have a conservative view there because the liberals will downvote you and your responses are hidden. I no longer go there because it’s a leftist echo chamber.



I agree.
olejoedad FEB 24, 10:38 AM
The old adage of 'sticks and stones' has held well over time.

Well, until modern parenting created the snowstorm of snowflakes.

Buttercups need to suck it up and realize that 'fair' doesn't exist, and never has.
Patrick FEB 24, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by 2.5:

That type of censorship sounds worse to me than putting threads into the trashcan. IMO



So if members A, B, C, D and E are having a friendly informative discussion about 3D Printing in O/T, and member F comes along and starts spouting nonsense about Nazis, Leftists, whatever... that your "solution" is to Trash Can the whole thread? Wonderful. So member F, along with his like-minded buddies, can now Trash Can any thread in O/T they please? And that's somehow superior to simply removing the political comments that were never welcome, never allowed in the 3D Printing thread in the first place?

There is no reason for any PFF member to feel that they have somehow been stymied in their need to express their political views in this forum. They now have their very own sub-section. Go there, get it out of your system. Let O/T be the welcoming place for diverse discussion that it hasn't been for a very long time.

[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 02-24-2022).]

2.5 FEB 24, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

So if members A, B, C, D and E are having a friendly informative discussion about 3D Printing in O/T, and member F comes along and starts spouting nonsense about Nazis, Leftists, whatever... that your "solution" is to Trash Can the whole thread? Wonderful.




Well, your premise is first of all highly unrealistic.

But no. I just said your idea was worse. Mainly I think for me its because it censors one statement, one that people may never know existed. There may not be great solutions. But in any case people who can't play civil, being warned, put on probation, and sometimes banned seems like it is a decent set up to me.

The creation of a politics and religion area is a decent fix as well. Though I don't care for now having to look all over to see things and remember which of topic I'm looking for, or maybe it moved. I do think it may resulyt in Cliff getting more requests to move threads. But a lesser of evils could still be lesser.
Cliff Pennock FEB 24, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:

The upvote/ downvote thing only works if a majority of users agree with each other. If most here are conservative you will not see liberal points because they will get voted out. Imgur is that way. You can’t have a conservative view there because the liberals will downvote you and your responses are hidden. I no longer go there because it’s a leftist echo chamber.



I understand the concern, but it would take a lot more downvotes than upvotes before a post is hidden. Kinda like the rating system. It would take at least <n> total votes and at least a ratio of <a> : <b> downvotes vs upvotes before a post gets hidden. This needs to get tweaked over time of course.
Patrick FEB 24, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by 2.5:

Well, your premise is first of all highly unrealistic.



Like heck it is. Happens all the time. (Hopefully, not any longer.)

There are members of this forum who appear to only see life through a political filter, and they feel that it's somehow their duty to share their slanted view of the world with everybody else.

I am SO happy they now have their own corner here at PFF to ramble on to their heart's content... and I won't even need to be aware of their endless boring diatribes!


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Originally posted by 2.5:

I just said your idea was worse. Mainly I think for me its because it censors one statement, one that people may never know existed.



If this deleted "statement" was never meant to exist in O/T in the first place, what's the loss? Posting in the appropriate section would negate any required action.


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Originally posted by 2.5:

The creation of a politics and religion area is a decent fix as well. Though I don't care for now having to look all over to see things and remember which of topic I'm looking for, or maybe it moved.



"All over"? Seriously, this is going to be a challenge for you... looking in two different sub-sections? Takes what, about one second to click on the tab?

I never realized what a master I've been at utilizing the forum, looking in at least three different sub-sections on a regular basis... Technical, General and O/T. When I feel really energized, I check out the Construction Zone as well.
MidEngineManiac FEB 24, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

The old adage of 'sticks and stones' has held well over time.

Well, until modern parenting created the snowstorm of snowflakes.

Buttercups need to suck it up and realize that 'fair' doesn't exist, and never has.



USFiero FEB 25, 09:54 AM
I'm surprised the thread I started well over a decade ago that was a discussion on gas supply and pricing ('PETROLPHOBIA') got moved.

Maybe it was preemptive. Like what the former vice president should have done with sanctions on Russia, not reactively.