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82-T/A [At Work]
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OCT 10, 05:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
It's almost as if Furgal and Threedog had a child. |
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I'm sad. At times, I almost think he makes some sense, and then he ends up saying something completely ridiculous... and you totally question his mental state.
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randye
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OCT 10, 07:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Randye, I'm not reading any valuable reference in your posts.
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Then I suggest that you read more closely. 
| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
If you can't participate normally, just sit quietly and watch what the intent of the questions are leading to.
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I could suggest the exact same to you, especially since I never once personally insulted you by suggesting that you don't "participate normally".
| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
What if America is just going the route of Cuba?
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WHAT IF we simply didn't debate hypotheticals?
IF your opinion is that the United States is "going the route of Cuba" then simply say so.
Additionally, you could then elaborate on what your opinion is as to what should be done about it.
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sourmash
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OCT 10, 07:16 PM
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If you don't like questions why do you think other people can't ask them?
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randye
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OCT 10, 07:52 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
If you don't like questions why do you think other people can't ask them?
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If you don't like the answers why do you think other people can't voice them?
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sourmash
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OCT 11, 08:56 AM
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You didn't give an answer. What if you had given an answer?
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2.5
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OCT 12, 12:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
I have often said that the reason the idea of Marxism will never completely die out even after 175 years of complete failure is because there is a never ending supply of ignorant young people that:
1. Don't know the horrific history of Marxism because it was never taught to them.
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2. Believe that any of the failures that they do happen to know about are because "it wasn't done correctly".
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Also they are being taught that if its not socialist it must be greed (moral bad thing). That combined with demonizing of successful business people as "rich", and taking that opportunity and money away from poor people.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 10-12-2021).]
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williegoat
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OCT 12, 12:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Also they are being taught that if its not socialist it must be greed (moral bad thing). That combined with demonizing of successful business people as "rich", and taking that opportunity and money away from poor people.
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Yep, socialism, including the Nazi version, appeals to some because it allows them to blame someone else for their failures. Capitalism, on the other hand, encourages people to improve their own lives. This does not appeal to lazy people.
Socialists say, "It's not my fault". Capitalists say, "A rising tide lifts all boats."
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sourmash
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OCT 12, 12:24 PM
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Apparently capitalists blame other people too, since you just blamed socialusts for being lazy. NAZIs were just lazy. Yeah, that's how astute you are.
Pretty positive plenty of.capitalists say Where's mine?! or even, Get the money! Ever heard of lobbiests in Wasington DC making donations for favorable legislation and pressure?
Socialists didn't collapse the economy in 2006-2007. Capitalists did. The lenders were lazy so they loaned to people who really didn't qualify. They even had a saying that.they'd be gone (and wealthy) by the time it came down. The capitalist regulating industry was j6st lazy letting Madoff scam his way to billions.
Socialists use those real world examples just like your examples use them.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 10-12-2021).]
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2.5
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OCT 12, 12:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Now look at America. See the 30 trillion dollar debt looming? Isn't capitalism great? That's what we're selling. How well off does that make this empire? Look at our recent election. We resemble a banana republic.
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Corruption is an issue in any economic ot governmental system.
Personally I think humans also seem to have a way of dismantling fundamentals that make things work. Family system, Bill of Rights, Constitution, Bible, School/teaching, work ethic. Put them in whichever order you prefer.
As Willie said "Capitalism, on the other hand, encourages people to improve their own lives." The thing is when we reward things like laziness and reward divorce and reward reckless irresponsible spending, it becomes like a mini socialst system, eventually the working responsible folks can no longer support the leeches.
Add to that Manufacturing/etc going overseas, that wasnt a good thing. I'd like to think the Covid mess opened up eyes to that issue, but who knows.
Just some thoughts.
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sourmash
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OCT 12, 12:34 PM
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Capitalists say, This isn't real capitalism when it doesnt work. The same things are said by both sides in exactly the same manner. Everything said about the other side is true of the side saying it.
I edited several things while you were replying.
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