Total Deaths vs. COVID-19 (Page 11/11)
blackrams OCT 19, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by Boondawg:


And you’re stilll going to (or have) vote for him to “ lead” us.

I don’t know if this Biden guy is the answer we’re looking for, but I do know he at least has been in the same room multiple times with someone who has led us.

The one definite is Donald Trump is incapable of leading & uniting the American people.

Unfortunately, I’m not sure a great number of Americans actually want unity or equality.
Some like the color chart just the way it is.

In that sense, White privilege is probably a real thing.

Don, I’m sure every thing you do is well thought out.
Which is why your choice to support this man perplexes me.

That being said, I really don’t care.
About any of them.
My trust in them or the system is almost nonexistent.

Peace.



While I agree with maryjane on President Trump not exercising good judgement or leadership concerning the Pandemic, I also saw where the Dems called him racist when he tried to stop people coming from China and have done everything they could think of to give him hell. Throwing up all kinds of roadblocks and other crap. There's more to consider than just what should have happened, consider what the opposing forces were also doing and saying. The political fodder is deep and stinks to high heaven. Kind of like why there hasn't been a second stimulus plan. Speaker Pelosi thinks she has DJT by the nuts.
That really doesn't matter at this point, he owns this and should have taken a different course.

Hind site is excellent and all the arm chair quarterbacking Biden claims now is pure Had Biden or Obama or HRC been in the Oval Office, they can say this or that but, as I said, hind site is a wonderful thing. Yep, I voted today. I voted for who I thought had done something for this country. Speaking of someone that united us, you can't seriously consider Obama and Biden as being successful at that? To each their own I guess.

Oh, BTW, I was able to avoid voting a straight ticket today. There was a non-affiliated person running unopposed for a job. He got my vote.
I honestly am not filled with confidence that President Trump will win but, I will not vote for a loser and his running mate that I am convinced will turn this country into a social science experiment. IF Biden wins, you will lose many freedoms and you'll pay for those lost freedoms with higher taxes and there be more free stuff for those who don't pull their own weight. It happens every time the Dems get control. This coming from a registered Democrat.

Rams

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Hudini OCT 20, 04:46 AM

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Originally posted by Jonesy:


Did he directly cause them, no, but indirectly? He downplayed it so hard, and caused so much confusion, especially at the beginning, that many of those that trust what he says took less precautions, considered it a "non issue" and helped spread the infection. Of course those who don't trust or listen to him, didn't follow his advice, so largely he did a disservice and likely caused more damage to his own supporters than anyone else.

And lets face it, if Biden, or Obama was president during this pandemic, and the handling of it was exactly the same as how Trump handled it, you and Republicans in general, would likely be singing a different tune. You would be blaming them for the deaths. Even if you didn't really believe it, because politically it would be an perfect opportunity to criticize him during the election cycle. You can deny that fact if you want for yourself personally, and I'll take your word on it, but don't even try to deny that Republicans in general wouldn't, because we all know they would, its politics after all. So don't pretend to be shocked that the Democrats are taking that narrative, because politically its just too juicy to ignore.




I remember Trump saying there is going to be a lot of death from this Wuhan Virus. I remember him sending 10s of thousands of Ventilators to NYC. And opening a field hospital. And sending a hospital ship. I also remember hardly any of it were used.

I also remember the Surgeon General saying you don’t need to wear a mask.

Yep, Trump’s fault. Hell, it would not have mattered what he did. Orange Man Bad even if he invented a vaccine and personally vaccinated every single person in the US.

This virus came from outside the US. It was already in the country when he closed the borders to China. As a free country you cannot lock down everyone of us forever. To put this on Trump’s shoulders is short sighted.
82-T/A [At Work] OCT 20, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


For years, I've tried to explain this issue, and it's almost uniquely American.
People tend to take a very narrow view of events outside their immediate circle, and they draw mental circles around themselves, isolating themselves from the outside world and the events and issues in that outer world. It begins at their own doorstep, then they draw another at the boundary of their block, another at their city limit sign, another at their county line, and one at their state periphery. These concentric circles continue out, one at their region, and then one at the USA boundary. From the outside, it's an ever decreasing set of concentric circles of isolation and insulation. This, is not a new phenomenon either. It's been prevalent in the US for many decades, but with today's electronic news and information, it is much more pronounced, as issues can more easily penetrate those lines now.

"Rwanda? Where's that? How many died? oh well, that's their problem"
"Syria? Who gives a Shiite about Syria...let 'em kill each other"
"What? Someone was beheaded in France? That's way over in Europe. It doesn't affect me and I just don't care what happens to them"
"NY City? That's over a thousand miles away. They can deal with it themselves."
""Corona virus is in Oregon and Washington State? Heck, I'm in Manhattan, I ain't gonna worry about them people out West"
"It's just a couple of people from China, it's completely under control, nothing to worry about"
"In Atlanta and Houston? I'm in New Mexico, we'll be fine here."
"What? They closed down the cruise lines? Wife and I had a vacation planned next month. This sucks!
"50,000 dead from China flu? I don't know a single person that has even had it. I'm not changing how I live because of a bunch of people I don't know"

It goes on and on until the event directly affects the individual at his doorstep or workplace and all of a sudden those affects have penetrated his/her last line of mental defense and that's when the belly aching really starts, but in the meantime, 200,000+ people have died. Some folks think if everyone would just stop talking and writing about it, the whole thing would just go away..out of sight, out of mind, but that won't stop the deaths.





This is obviously directed at me... and I'd simply say you're building a ridiculous straw-man. At no point did I say I didn't care about the deaths, or that they were unimportant to me. What I said is that it's mostly only important to the media, maybe you, and most Democrats because they are purposely using it as a political bludgeon. I shouldn't have to preface every single time I mention the deaths with a disclaimer that I do sincerely care. I've said that a few times, but it should be understood. There's no one on this message board that thinks 200k dead isn't important or doesn't care. For you to write everything you did above is kind of silly and pandering.

My arguments above still stand, and I think it goes without needing to say it every time, everyone here does care.
theBDub NOV 24, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by maryjane:


For years, I've tried to explain this issue, and it's almost uniquely American.
People tend to take a very narrow view of events outside their immediate circle, and they draw mental circles around themselves, isolating themselves from the outside world and the events and issues in that outer world. It begins at their own doorstep, then they draw another at the boundary of their block, another at their city limit sign, another at their county line, and one at their state periphery. These concentric circles continue out, one at their region, and then one at the USA boundary. From the outside, it's an ever decreasing set of concentric circles of isolation and insulation. This, is not a new phenomenon either. It's been prevalent in the US for many decades, but with today's electronic news and information, it is much more pronounced, as issues can more easily penetrate those lines now.

"Rwanda? Where's that? How many died? oh well, that's their problem"
"Syria? Who gives a Shiite about Syria...let 'em kill each other"
"What? Someone was beheaded in France? That's way over in Europe. It doesn't affect me and I just don't care what happens to them"
"NY City? That's over a thousand miles away. They can deal with it themselves."
""Corona virus is in Oregon and Washington State? Heck, I'm in Manhattan, I ain't gonna worry about them people out West"
"It's just a couple of people from China, it's completely under control, nothing to worry about"
"In Atlanta and Houston? I'm in New Mexico, we'll be fine here."
"What? They closed down the cruise lines? Wife and I had a vacation planned next month. This sucks!
"50,000 dead from China flu? I don't know a single person that has even had it. I'm not changing how I live because of a bunch of people I don't know"

It goes on and on until the event directly affects the individual at his doorstep or workplace and all of a sudden those affects have penetrated his/her last line of mental defense and that's when the belly aching really starts, but in the meantime, 200,000+ people have died. Some folks think if everyone would just stop talking and writing about it, the whole thing would just go away..out of sight, out of mind, but that won't stop the deaths.






I wonder if it has to do with our impact. We have such a big country that impacts so much of the world, we can live our whole lives in our bubble and not really have to think about other countries. We should, I just mean to say that it's possible not to. I think, in general, it's hard to think about things that aren't in your face. I doubt it's uniquely American, but almost definitely emphasized here.

(Sorry for the late reply... I missed further comments in here after not logging in for a few days)
Patrick NOV 24, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:

We have such a big country that impacts so much of the world, we can live our whole lives in our bubble and not really have to think about other countries. We should, I just mean to say that it's possible not to. I think, in general, it's hard to think about things that aren't in your face. I doubt it's uniquely American, but almost definitely emphasized here.



I see this here in O/T all the time. It's not only an observation, it's been clearly/bluntly stated to me on numerous occasions.

Canadians, on the other hand, are more inclined to look outside of our immediate bubble. There's obviously no escape from being influenced by the huge American presence to the south, but Canadians have traditionally also had a strong connection to the British Isles. However, that tie is weakening, as immigration from non-British countries increases exponentially. I don't necessarily see that as a negative thing though (despite my own ties to Ireland and Scotland). Widening one's perspective is never a bad thing.

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maryjane NOV 24, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


I wonder if it has to do with our impact. We have such a big country that impacts so much of the world, we can live our whole lives in our bubble and not really have to think about other countries. We should, I just mean to say that it's possible not to. I think, in general, it's hard to think about things that aren't in your face. I doubt it's uniquely American, but almost definitely emphasized here.

(Sorry for the late reply... I missed further comments in here after not logging in for a few days)


Note that I said "almost" uniquely American. Every nation and even region has their own brand of nationalism, and as far as regions go, Texas certainly has a very long and storied history of it .

I was referring more on an individual or within groups scenario. I have for decades seen and heard both individuals and groups of people make decisions and live their lives as if there was no outside world at all beyond their own front doors, then one day something that took place far away or outside their own little enclave directly affected them and they acted as if this was something altogether new or that it was a terrible injustice placed upon themselves when the real cause was their own ignorance and self isolation.

It's very much narcistic in nature and a good bit of selfishness to boot.
It's all well and good until it's their own ox that gets gored or gets stuck in the ditch, they cry that it's someone else that caused it and then you hear a completely different tone of voice than what had been coming out of their pie holes for years..