Mail In Ballots thread #2 (Page 1/7)
blackrams SEP 03, 05:50 PM
Per Cliff Pennock's advice, starting this thread over. Please keep it civil

The Democrats are all for mail in ballots, they want it for this election on November 3rd.

Some states already do a "mail in ballot" and I have no issue with it with a few exceptions.

I am not in favor of a mass "mail in ballot" vote this election because, some states don't already have a system in place and we all know how things that are rushed with the government tend to be SNAFU. I have no problem if we do this in two years or four years but, I don't want to screw up this election regardless of who wins. But, to rush such a change in with this short lead time is just asking for issues.

Anyone that feels they can't go vote in person is very welcomed to request an Absentee Ballot and vote for whomever they wish. I don't trust certain areas (yes, they are in blue states) to do an honest election.

Rams

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cliffw SEP 03, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
Please keep it civil.



Even after the election ?
blackrams SEP 03, 05:55 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:


Even after the election ?



Not my house, you don't have to live within my rules. But, Cliff may have other ideas.

Rams
Hudini SEP 03, 05:56 PM
The potential for fraud is extremely high. It would take some concerted effort to hide a large amount of it though. Hopefully there are enough honest people in the world to report it if they see it. The bigger threat is this might be another "hanging chad" moment for either side. If the walk-in vote is dramatically different than the mail-in vote then it's off to the courts.
blackrams SEP 03, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Hudini:

The potential for fraud is extremely high. It would take some concerted effort to hide a large amount of it though. Hopefully there are enough honest people in the world to report it if they see it. The bigger threat is this might be another "hanging chad" moment for either side. If the walk-in vote is dramatically different than the mail-in vote then it's off to the courts.



Precisely what this country needs to avoid.

I fully agree with the opportunity for vote fraud. While anything is possible, I've only heard of voter fraud in blue states. I might try it myself but, I don't look good in Prison Orange.

Rams
LitebulbwithaFiero SEP 03, 06:05 PM
Received this unsolicited texts.


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1/2 Hey Joshua, it's Kathleen w/ the Michigan Dems! The best way to move our country forward is to elect Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Gary Peters, and Democrats




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2/2 running up and down the ballot by signing up to vote by mail. Will you commit to vote by mail this year?



I can see them pushing for their people, but why push for how the vote is cast?
blackrams SEP 03, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by LitebulbwithaFiero:

I can see them pushing for their people, but why push for how the vote is cast?



Sure, makes it easier to cast a vote for the people with the most give aways. But, they don't say who's gonna have to pay for it.

Of course, that'll be some one else.

Rams
olejoedad SEP 03, 06:50 PM
In person - OK
Picture ID - OK
on Election Day - OK
Absentee - OK

No mail-in except Absentee
No Early Voting - that is what Absentee is for
No Late Voting - ya snooze, ya looze

The Dems proposal reeks of the opportunity for deception.
williegoat SEP 03, 06:59 PM
Arizona has been doing mail in ballots and early voting for over a decade. It took nearly a month to get the final count in 2018. As more ballots slowly materialized throughout the month of November, more Republicans fell.
randye SEP 03, 07:00 PM
Since we are starting this over.

Democrats Have Been Trying To Commit Mail-In Ballot Fraud For Over 150 Years



Traveling to Baltimore in the fall of 1864, Orville Wood had no way of knowing he would soon uncover the most elaborate election conspiracy in America's brief history.

Wood was a merchant from Clinton County in the most northeastern corner of New York. As a supporter of President Abraham Lincoln, he was tasked with visiting troops from his hometown to "look after the local ticket."

New York legislators had only established the state's mail-in voting system in April with the intent of ensuring the suffrage of White troops battling the Confederate Army.

The results of the 1864 elections would heavily affect the outcome of the war. Lincoln and his supporters in the National Union Party sought to continue the war and defeat the Confederacy outright. Meanwhile antiwar Democrats, also referred to as Copperheads, looked for an immediate compromise with the Confederate leaders and the end of the abolition movement.

Troops from New York were allowed to authorize individuals back home to cast a vote on their behalf. Along with their mail-in ballots, troops would assign their power of attorney on slips that required four signatures: the voter's, the person authorized as a recipient, a witness to the signed affidavit and a fellow officer. These documents would be sealed in an envelope and shipped back home to be counted in the final vote. This was the process that Orville Wood intended to uphold, he would testify in court later. He quickly found out what a challenge that would be.

Wood arrived at Fort McHenry in Baltimore to visit with the 91st New York Regiment. There, an Army captain suggested that there had been some "checker playing" when it came to the gathering of soldiers' mail-in ballots. These suspicions of fraud were echoed when Wood visited wounded men at the Newton University Hospital. The rumors of wrongdoing led Wood to the office of Moses Ferry in Baltimore.

Ferry had been selected by New York Gov. Horatio Seymour to help oversee the voting process for New York's enlisted men. Seymour had vetoed the initial bill to establish mail-in voting and would go on to run against Ulysses S. Grant in the 1868 presidential election.

Wood masked his suspicions as he entered Ferry's office, portraying himself as a strong supporter of Lincoln's opponent, George McClellan. This was enough to gain Ferry's trust, he testified later.

Ferry told Wood that the votes from New York's 91st Regiment had already been tallied: 400 for McClellan and 11 for Lincoln.

Wood returned to the office later and, following Ferry's instructions, began forging signatures of the 16th New York Cavalry. Meanwhile, a clerk sat across the room signing ballots from the roster of names Wood had brought with him from home. Wood asked to personally deliver these fraudulent ballots, but Ferry said they would have to receive final approval from his colleague in Washington - Edward Donahue Jr.

Donahue soon arrived in Baltimore and met with Wood. It was revealed during this conversation that around 20 co-conspirators were already at work in D.C. to aid in the plot to deliver votes to McClellan. The following day Wood watched as Donahue and his crew formed a sort of assembly line, passing blank papers along to one another to be signed with the names of active enlisted men, wounded and dead soldiers, and officers who never existed.

In addition to operations in D.C. and Baltimore, the scheme extended back to New York. Donahue had received rosters of soldiers from military officials and members of law enforcement. A letter from Gen. J.A. Ferrell read, "Inclosed in this package you will find tickets, also a list of names of the actual residents of Columbia County, now members of the 128th Regiment. With my best wishes for your success."

A letter from Albany Sheriff H. Cromdell offered to send additional men to assist in Baltimore. The letter read, "All is well here, and we are confident of complete success. It is unnecessary to say that all here have entire confidence in your skill and abetting, and hope you like your help."

Also discovered in Ferry's office was a list of around 400 names belonging to sick and wounded soldiers under treatment at a nearby hospital. In reference to the roster, Ferry joked, "Dead or alive, they all had cast a good vote."

Ferry, Donahue, and their fellow conspirators found humor in their work. One accomplice mocked the outcry he expected from abolitionist newspapers following the corruption of the election. The men bragged about their past successes in fixing local elections back home.

Together, the men had shipped crates of fraudulent votes back to New York. But their scheme was over. Wood reported the operation to authorities. Ferry's office was searched, and on the morning of Oct. 27, 1864 - less than two weeks before the election - he and Donahue stood trial before a military commission.

Ferry offered a full confession that same day, even offering up the names of others involved in the scheme. Donahue proved more of a challenge.

Following the first day of the trial, a reporter for the New York Times wrote, "The honest electors of the state of New York have escaped an extensive and fearful fraud, a fraud in keeping with the proclivities of the party in whose behalf it was initiated, but one that, if unexposed might have subverted the honest will of the people and left the state and the nation at the mercy of those who would make peace with rebellion and fellowship with traitors."

Arrests in New York and Washington continued to mount as Donahue returned to trial. Following Wood's damning testimony and supporting evidence, Donahue begged for mercy from the court. He was a young man, newly married, with no previous record. He visibly wilted as he realized the weight of his current situation, no longer expressing the defiance with which he had entered the proceedings.

The judge advocate addressed the tribunal, saying that Donahue had engaged in one of the most gigantic frauds ever attempted in America - "a fraud which, if it shall be successful, will, in my opinion, have produced a disruption of our entire country, and our war for the preservation of the Union will be practically at an end and futile."

In the months following Lincoln's victory - he won 221 electoral votes to McClellan's 21 - anti-abolitionist newspapers attacked his legitimacy, calling the trial another aspect of a conspiracy conducted by the president to ensure his reelection.

The commission that oversaw Ferry and Donahue's trial recommended life in prison for the two men who sought to corrupt the election by mail. The president, who would soon be slain, approved.

https://www.chron.com/news/...to-deny-15507606.php
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