Attack on my software forum - reason PFF was closed for a while (Page 4/19)
jscott1 FEB 08, 01:36 PM
I dont' have an y legal or IT advise for you, but as soon as you set up the Paypal account I will chip in to help out. This forum is very important to the Fiero community and I want to see it survive.


Thanks Cliff.
84fierotrevor FEB 08, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by fierobear:

...and people give me s*** for pointing out how bad the Septic Tank is, how they cause Cliff problems. How many times do we have to say these guys are a-holes?

Oh, and to you dickheads that keep coming over here, telling us how great it is over there...why don't you stay the f* over there and quit wasting our time.



Thanks again for grouping me into being one of these bad people, because i visit real fiero tech.
84fierotrevor FEB 08, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by fierobear:


You should consider a class action, or name all the parties who did it, and be sure that RFT and it's owner(s) and moderator(s) are included. It's time these poor excuses for human beings PAY for their bullshit.



it was 4 people. aaron was banned from real fiero tech, he isnt even a member there now. real fiero tech is not to blame, the mods there are not to blame, howard is not to blame, the 4 people that did it are. not everyone that happends to visist there.


so if i was a moderator on rft, even tho i had nothing to do with this, I am now going to be sued by cliff?

that makes alot of sense.

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ryan.hess FEB 08, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by squisher86SE:
Doesn't anyone else find this ironic? The primary "hideout" for people who don't like this forum even booted him. I wonder how much of an idiot you have to be to get banned from there...



The place that "doesn't ban people" banned him. You'd have to be a pretty big @55 to pull that off...


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Originally posted by Raydar:
The ironic thing is... Aaron is(was?) trying to start a career in law enforcement.



Hilarity!
fierobear FEB 08, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by 84fierotrevor:


Thanks again for grouping me into being one of these bad people, because i visit real fiero tech.



edit: I reread Cliff's post, and Trevor is helping. Rant removed.

Trevor, if you're going to help, then help. But PLEASE stop defending RFT, it doesn't make sense.

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datacop FEB 08, 01:52 PM
Cliff,

As an expert witness for the state of Indiana (IT Consulting, computer forensics, etc) I would like to inform you that you do have a case of being "hacked"..

The basic definition of "hacking" is to use a device or software application for a purpose in which it was not intended through the exploiting or re-designing of various features, structures, or interfaces to that device or application.

It would not be a difficult task to prove in court, that these individuals utilized the software (your support forum) in a manor or fashion in which it was not intended. I can guarentee you that when you setup your forum, you did not intend it to be used to send a personal and private message to every registered memeber of your forum by another memeber. Yes, one or two personal messages as they pertained to a certain subject matter.. but not every single person.

The first thing I would do if I was you.. is to stop saying "there was no hacking involved".. and remove that from every place where you've stated it in the past. You were indeed hacked. The cuplrits in this case did not use an exploit, social engineering, or any other such "common" means, but the fact is they did indeed hack you.
Cliff Pennock FEB 08, 01:52 PM
Ok, I finally had the time to go through my emails to answer them. And there has been a lot of good information in them:


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For saying that you are a fraud, you should be able to sue for either slander or liable and also for defamation of business. By him staking claim to your program he is violating copyright laws.




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I saw your latest comment, that you weren't hacked, but messages with
fraudulent claims were PM'd to customers on your website.

I still think their activity may fall under this definition:

Q: Do you have a definition of Internet crime that I can refer to?
Internet crime is defined as any illegal activity involving one or more components of the Internet, such as websites, chat rooms, and/or email. Internet crime involves the use of the Internet to communicate false or fraudulent representations to consumers. These crimes may include, but are not limited to, advance-fee schemes, non-delivery of goods or services, computer hacking, or employment/business opportunity schemes.

Clearly "Aaron" used your website to make fraudulent claims; namely that HE wrote the software.

It may still be a good ideal to file a complaint here: http://www.ic3.gov




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I know these are crimes in the US and they are strictly inforced. I'm not a cop but most of my family are and one of your members is a Member of a police affiliation here in the states. I have already contacted him to let him know whats going on and he's trying to get the info on these a-holes. He simply wishes not to be know so i was asked to send you this e-mail... so... we're trying. i hope you get these a-holes.



There's more but first... dinner.
84fierotrevor FEB 08, 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by fierobear:


Trevor, STFU. If you like it so much over here, go there and f'ing stay there.

Oh and BTW, it's "get-a-clue" time for Trevor: YOU group yourself with them by hanging out there, and coming here defending the place. YOU DO, get it?



No I visit more then one forum, if some dude that happend to spam this forum forum from r1 forums.com i wouldnt go try and take down that whole forum.

ur anaology is this: someone that lives in this negborhood commited a crime, solve it? blow up the whole neighborhood.

honest to god, why would u sue a person for somnthing he did not do, because he is a member of the same forum, someone else did?

u make no rational sense what so ever, and all u can do is say hey, screw the septic forum, avenger1 and other people that are upset in this thread, about what happend are members there too, should they be sued as well? aaron isnt even a member of rft anymore, he is now on a caddilac forum, so lets sue all of them right? all there mods and the owners of that site? lol strait up god honest. i have never seen someone with as much errational thought as u. and I worked in a mental institution.

pm me from now on. so we dont get off topic on this thread.

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Cliff Pennock FEB 08, 01:55 PM
Oh and please keep this thread free of "discussion" so we can concentrate at the issues at hand. Please use one of the other threads for that.
Fiero5 FEB 08, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by fierobear:


You should consider a class action, or name all the parties who did it, and be sure that RFT and it's owner(s) and moderator(s) are included. It's time these poor excuses for human beings PAY for their bullshit.



I don't agree with this.
Anyone has the right to go to and be a member of any web site they wish (agreeing that some "adult" sites for example require that you be of a certain age and all that). Just because some people decide to go and be a member on RFT doesn't automatically make them criminals when one or two members registered there decide to do soemthing illegal. If a member here on PFF went and did something illegal, it doesn't make you or me or any other member on here automatically linked to that event as well and guilty also.

Edit:
Sorry Cliff. I was posting this reply when you were posting the message above.

[This message has been edited by Fiero5 (edited 02-08-2007).]