Attack on my software forum - reason PFF was closed for a while (Page 11/19)
F-I-E-R-O FEB 09, 02:05 AM
[Edited by Cliff Pennock: "Removed image of 'alleged' perpetrator"]
Unsafe At Any Speed FEB 09, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by fierobear:



Seriously, we get it. PFF is the house. RFT is the sewer. And you're the guy going around telling everyone about the **** you just took.

As for the people threatening physical violence, or even inferring it, might want to rethink that considering even a threat can be considered assualt (read: a felony).

As for you Cliff, you and I haven't gotten along the best in the past. You've even called me a 'foul' name or two, but nothing that I've taken personally. I don't care really, but this attack was lame. So basically what I'm trying to say is good luck getting them.
Fastback 86 FEB 09, 03:25 AM
As a member of this forum for the past several years, I stand behind Cliff 100%. There is no excuse for such unprovoked attacks, and those responsible must be held accountable, its as simple as that.

As a member of RFT as well, all I have to say is this: Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. Liking more than one internet forum has absolutely no bearing on my senses of ethics and morality. The guilty must pay.
jack_ink FEB 09, 03:43 AM
I give trevor a lot of mad props on this one... hes on the fence and defending none but the innocent on both forums, we all visit sites other than this one, and for everyone looking into Myspace you can lie about your age easily and what kind of idiot puts thier REAL NAME on one... its asking for it lol if you can do dumb stuff maybe the car you have to sell off will pay for the legal fees... I cought a nice assault case when it was self defense and I still had to sell 4 show cars 1 show truck and 1 work truck and also 2 daily driveable gas sippers, not to mention 2 houses and a dirt bike to get the lawyer to prove it was necessary and I still have anger managment... and had a nice hotel for 3 weeks called County but it was all dropped to a misdemeanor and dismissed off my record for anger managment

damn thts a lot to do if you have some projects you could be working on maybe when he sells his stuff we can get good deals so he can get a nice lawyer... and colleges wont wanna touch him after web abuse cause most require you to be on thier network for classes and other things and ... if you did it once, you may do something worse later.....

and yeah I have a not so good record but its all been a learning expierience for me.. and now I know when man pulls a gun you need to et him shoot you before beating him within inches of his life... I feel that Cliff was E-shot by the new E-gangstas ... LOL i think its sad to do this to a private forum but if it had been Amazon.com or something corporate owned ... it may have been worth it

and as for arguing over the web... what was that saying ooh yeah get a hobby away from keyboards
Silicoan86 FEB 09, 04:10 AM

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Originally posted by jack_ink:
and for everyone looking into Myspace you can lie about your age easily and what kind of idiot puts thier REAL NAME on one...



Well I wasn't searching myspace for him he just added me on there a long time ago (probably because he saw that I have a Fiero). He's even commented on my car on there before, thats why I recognized the picture that cliff posted. Also I'm almost positive he's 16 it's all over his page, theres even a live counter on there counting down to his 17th birthday.

I gotta agree with ya about the arguing, it's just a waste of time.....

[This message has been edited by Silicoan86 (edited 02-09-2007).]

jack_ink FEB 09, 05:21 AM
da** didnt know that ... what kinda crap is that letting you parents pay for you screwing a guy over in business...

my myspace sux has crapola written all over it... my cats got a better one and doesnt have pics uploaded yet...
Newbfiero FEB 09, 07:14 AM
I Hope the get what the deserve and more ..I can,t see it to why poeple get Mad and try to end a forum or talk bitter about forum once to get kick out ..I know when it will be my time to go from this forum if happen , I will carry on to my normal life as before I join in ..I will drive my fiero whit no anguer to why I got kick out ..If I did get kick out would of been because of my bad behave ,,,Would be nothing again The PFF and the poeple in it ..Am not a member from the other one but I can open it up to see what poeple are saying in it ..And its sad to see it to how poeple got sooooo much hate in them to some of them , and to the last one who got kick out of here well he fanily post in there and hes as a child to never did grow up and never did no wrong Hes got anger and to what hes wishing for its not funny and scarry..He should of wash his mother car and she should of wack him for doing it so ... ..Some will paste post from here and bring over there ..to Why this is going on back and forth like it is ..I never know ..Anyway Cliff I wish you nothing but the best to you and Hopely this will all end and get back to Normal for you ..And for peace to the fiero forum to join in whit no anger towards your fellow fiero mate ..God Bless you all ..and have a safe weekend ..And thx again Cliff to have made it a fun place to Have fun when fun is there ..There will never be a anger toward no one , Not by me anyway to what happen if I ever get kick out and this would be my first one and last forum ..Life lives on .Take care .. Rob

[This message has been edited by Newbfiero (edited 02-09-2007).]

tutnkmn FEB 09, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by ray b:

sounds like these punks are students
and maynot have any real accesets
thus are semi sue proof




True. Unfortunately in a civil action Cliff would not be likely to get much, or anything from young kids. If awarded a judgment they would likely file bankruptcy and make it all go away

I think the criminal (prosecution) route would be the one to take. Make the appropriate authorities aware of what happened and press charges in the correct jurisdiction. This would not re-coupe any lost monies but would make an example that this kind of activity will not go unanswered. Likely those under 18 would get a slap on the wrist in the US legal system though, again.....

I wish Cliff the best with this, although I can foresee a difficult road ahead legally. There are and have been enough attorneys in my family that I have a little sense of what will be.

The number one advise, already given, get a lawyer as soon as possible.

Good luck Cliff, if I can help (legally) let me know.

[This message has been edited by tutnkmn (edited 02-09-2007).]

Cliff Pennock FEB 09, 09:25 AM
Oh, I just realized I had completely closed down my software forum in an attempt to make sure nobody would change it as it is. I didn't realize it wasn't visible for other people except the moderator. That has been changed now so you can check out what they have done.

On a side note, I received this through email this morning:


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Subject: Mr. Pennock, I want to apologize

Mr. Pennock I want to apologize for a huge mistake I made on my part. I was one of the users who spammed your other forum (wildhorsey69) and at the time I honestly was not taking into consideration the harm that it would cause to you. But I'm going to stand up for what I did and that I realize that I created a lot of issues for you and your business. I'm deeply sorry for this whole thing, and I didn't realize that it was a business forum, which was also my fault. But I did not understand the consequences of my actions before I acted. I am 16 years old and I really don't know what to do about the situation I have got myself into. I feel the right thing to do is to stand up and take responsibility for my actions. I'm willing to help out in any way that I can.

My deepest apologies,

Randy P---------



Now this guy is only 16 years old and I'm not out to destroy his life. So I'm not sure what to do with him yet. I do think it takes a big man to admit his mistakes - on the other hand, I don't even know if he really means it or if somebody whispered this in his ear to try to avoid prosecution...
CoryFiero FEB 09, 09:38 AM
Laywer might have even wrote it for him to send you... Or he is truely sorry...