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FastIndyFiero
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SEP 26, 05:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by FastIndyFiero:
Cool video, thank you! I'm going to try posting up some Engine Analyzer data later today. |
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Right...ALL of my data/pics/everything is on my OLD hard drive...*sigh*
More work.
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FastIndyFiero
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OCT 01, 09:15 PM
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Okay, I just hooked up my old HD and am in the process of sorting through 140GB of crap, decided to throw some stuff up.
This data was generated using my camshaft specs, head flow numbers, valve train component weights, turbocharger size/efficiency, intercooler pressure drop, etc. for the 2v head. At 4000 RPM a 150HP shot of direct port nitrous is added. This is SAE corrected, 77*.
If anyone feels ambitious, here is the data dump from the simulation:
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Engine_RPM 3500 3750 4000 4250 4500 4750 5000 5250 5500 5750 6000 6250 6500 6750 7000 7250 7500 7750 8000 8250
Brk_Tq 149 166 806 800 791 788 773 760 750 733 710 695 678 654 629 604 578 552 530 509
Brake_HP 99.1 119 614 647 678 713 736 760 785 803 811 827 839 840 839 834 826 815 808 800
Exh_Pres 1.2 1.6 15.6 16.4 17.1 18.1 18.9 19.7 20.6 21.5 22.1 22.9 24.4 25.3 25.4 25.9 26.4 26.5 27.3 27.2
Boost 1.0 1.5 29.9 29.8 29.8 29.8 29.8 29.8 29.7 29.7 29.7 29.7 29.7 29.6 29.6 29.6 29.6 29.6 29.6 29.6
Vol_Eff 85.4 93.9 326.0 331.1 333.7 336.0 336.7 336.6 334.2 331.6 327.2 324.5 320.2 313.5 306.0 298.8 290.1 282.1 274.7 267.3
Actual_CFM 135 159 590 637 679 722 762 800 832 863 888 918 942 957 969 980 984 989 994 998
Fuel_Flow 47.26 55.7 206 222 237 252 266 279 291 301 310 321 329 334 339 342 344 346 347 349
Nitrous 0.00 0.00 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482 482
Ntrs_Fuel 0.00 0.00 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5 67.5
BMEP 143 160 777 771 763 760 745 733 723 707 684 670 654 630 607 583 558 532 512 491
A/F_Mxtr_Qlty 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0
BSFC 0.477 0.470 0.446 0.448 0.450 0.449 0.453 0.456 0.456 0.459 0.466 0.469 0.473 0.479 0.484 0.491 0.498 0.507 0.514 0.520
Thermal_Eff 32.71 32.92 31.08 30.97 30.90 31.02 30.77 30.63 30.72 30.57 30.21 30.07 29.96 29.69 29.47 29.15 28.89 28.52 28.30 28.08
IMEP 167 184 803 798 790 788 775 764 755 740 718 705 690 668 645 622 598 574 554 535
Frctn_Tq 24.17 25.29 26.40 27.51 28.62 29.74 30.85 31.96 33.07 34.19 35.30 36.41 37.53 38.64 39.76 40.87 41.99 43.11 44.23 45.35
Frctn_HP 16.11 18.06 20.11 22.26 24.53 26.89 29.37 31.95 34.63 37.43 40.33 43.33 46.44 49.66 53.0 56.4 60.0 63.6 67.4 71.2
FMEP 23.31 24.39 25.46 26.53 27.60 28.68 29.75 30.82 31.89 32.97 34.04 35.12 36.19 37.27 38.34 39.42 40.50 41.58 42.66 43.74
Mech_Eff 86.0 86.8 96.8 96.7 96.5 96.4 96.2 96.0 95.8 95.5 95.3 95.0 94.8 94.4 94.1 93.7 93.2 92.8 92.3 91.8
Motoring_HP 19.89 21.94 22.64 29.20 36.11 44.66 54.2 63.9 74.8 87.4 99.8 112 124 136 149 163 178 190 203 213
Pumpng_Work -3.78 -3.88 -2.53 -6.93 -11.58 -17.77 -24.80 -31.95 -40.16 -50.00 -59.5 -68.6 -77.6 -86.2 -95.7 -107 -118 -126 -135 -141
Residual_Exh 6.4 4.4 1.6 1.6 1.5 1.5 1.5 1.6 1.8 1.9 2.0 2.2 2.4 2.7 2.9 3.3 3.5 3.6 3.9 4.2
Shrt_Circuit 0.2 0.5 2.2 2.0 1.7 1.5 1.7 1.4 0.9 0.9 0.8 0.6 0.4 0.2 0.1 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.0 0.0
Exh_Temp 1363 1419 1413 1429 1441 1467 1475 1486 1513 1535 1545 1557 1566 1571 1572 1596 1600 1605 1617 1628
Mx_Cyl_Pres 797 871 3753 3756 3752 3751 3714 3691 3663 3613 3555 3504 3473 3381 3302 3224 3133 3034 2943 2870
Mx_Cyl_Tmp 4555 4648 4526 4546 4551 4578 4585 4591 4603 4599 4606 4601 4621 4595 4611 4591 4599 4602 4589 4595
In_Port_Tmp 93 90 20 21 23 24 25 25 25 24 25 24 25 26 26 28 31 34 39 43
Piston_Spd 1808 1938 2067 2196 2325 2454 2583 2713 2842 2971 3100 3229 3358 3488 3617 3746 3875 4004 4133 4263
Piston_Gs_@_TD 680 780 890 1000 1120 1250 1380 1530 1670 1830 1990 2160 2340 2520 2710 2910 3110 3320 3540 3770
Coolant_HP 37.24 39.93 37.96 40.50 43.26 46.75 49.61 52.5 56.0 59.6 62.7 65.7 69.3 72.4 76.1 80.3 83.9 86.7 90.7 94.6
Blow_By 0.9 1.0 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.8 3.8 3.8 3.7 3.7 3.6 3.6 3.5 3.4 3.3 3.2 3.1 3.1
In_Tun_Pres 0.0 0.1 2.2 2.7 3.4 4.0 4.6 5.4 5.9 6.5 7.1 7.4 7.7 8.1 8.4 8.4 8.6 8.7 8.4 8.4
Avg_In_Vel 125 134 143 151 160 169 178 187 196 205 214 223 232 240 249 258 267 276 285 294
Avg_Ex_Vel 219 234 250 266 281 297 313 328 344 360 375 391 406 422 438 453 469 485 500 516
Mach_# 0.208 0.223 0.238 0.253 0.268 0.282 0.297 0.312 0.327 0.342 0.356 0.372 0.386 0.401 0.415 0.429 0.442 0.456 0.467 0.479
Act_In_FlowAre 95.0 95.0 95.1 95.1 95.1 95.1 95.1 95.1 95.1 95.2 95.2 95.1 95.1 95.3 95.4 95.5 95.9 96.2 96.8 97.4
Act_Ex_FlowAre 94.5 94.4 92.9 92.8 92.8 92.7 92.7 92.6 92.5 92.6 92.6 92.4 92.4 92.6 92.6 92.6 93.1 93.2 93.2 93.3
Valve_Toss None None None None None None None None None None None None None None None None Exh None Int Int
Knock_Index 0.4 0.4 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.2 1.1 1.2 1.1 1.1 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 1.0
Spark_Advnc 20.6 20.1 11.4 11.8 12.2 12.6 12.9 13.3 13.7 14.0 14.4 14.7 15.0 15.4 15.7 16.1 16.4 16.6 17.0 17.3
Injctr_Dty_Cyc 14.9 17.6 65.1 70.2 74.9 79.7 84.0 88.2 91.7 95.1 98.0 101.2 103.9 105.6 106.9 108.1 108.6 109.1 109.7 110.1
Inj_Plse_Wdth 5.1 5.6 19.5 19.8 20.0 20.1 20.2 20.2 20.0 19.9 19.6 19.4 19.2 18.8 18.3 17.9 17.4 16.9 16.5 16.0
Calc_Error 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0
Compressor_Eff 39.3 38.6 74.5 73.6 71.9 70.1 68.1 66.2 64.4 62.6 61.1 59.1 56.0 53.7 52.3 51.2 50.0 49.5 48.5 48.7
Cmprssr_Pres_R 1.07 1.10 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06 3.06
Compressor_HP 1.6 2.6 72.4 78.6 85.7 92.9 100.7 108.5 115.8 123.6 130.1 138.5 150.2 159.3 165.3 170.5 176.2 178.2 183.4 182.5
Compressor_RPM
Roots_Vol_Eff
Turbo_Wastegt 0.0 0.0 5.3 8.1 8.8 8.8 9.0 10.0 10.0 10.0 9.3 9.1 7.0 5.6 4.4 3.2 1.9 2.1 1.6 2.3
Turbo_Surge 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
As you can see there is a HUGE spike where the nitrous is activated and the turbo spools. I will likely have to launch above 4000RPM to keep from bogging, and blowing the tires off once it spools. In my opinion, the program over-estimated the capability of the turbo to support that much power, but I'm not sure.
I have also done some tests with the 4v head, and I think it shows HUGE promise. This is, however, with generic camshaft specs and approximations using port area for flow, and some other generalizations. Suffice it to say the chart looked much more suitable. I'm going to get some hard data on head flow and determine cam specs before I post that, though.
That is all for now...
Nate
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88 Silver Formula
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OCT 01, 09:48 PM
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holy nuts dude!! 811 BHP! did i misread sometihng?? whats that boil down to 700 to the wheels?
that comes out to roughly a 9.2 second 1/4 mile......if this is right you will be the first in fiero history to hit 9's (without being an nhra drag fiero)..DEFINATLY a first for a 4 banger!!
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Fiero Brick
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OCT 01, 11:25 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 88 Silver Formula:
holy nuts dude!! 811 BHP! did i misread sometihng?? whats that boil down to 700 to the wheels?
that comes out to roughly a 9.2 second 1/4 mile......if this is right you will be the first in fiero history to hit 9's (without being an nhra drag fiero)..DEFINATLY a first for a 4 banger!! |
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IIRC, when the Fiero was still hitting the drag strip professionally, some of them got into the 9's with the Super Duty.
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darkhorizon
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OCT 02, 12:08 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 88 Silver Formula:
holy nuts dude!! 811 BHP! did i misread sometihng?? whats that boil down to 700 to the wheels?
that comes out to roughly a 9.2 second 1/4 mile......if this is right you will be the first in fiero history to hit 9's (without being an nhra drag fiero)..DEFINATLY a first for a 4 banger!! |
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Its still considered impossible to run a 10 with a mostly streetable fiero. Now I dont actually mean that, but no one has ever proven to run a 10 with any transverse "stock" style setup with any motor (even single turbo LT1 383's  )
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Mr.PBody
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OCT 02, 12:15 AM
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I hate to say it but, the computer isn't your car, I am not going to beleive 811BHP and low 9s until the car starts. Do you have any pics of whats going on right now? Not flaming or anything I just want to see this all happen.
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FieroWannaBe
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OCT 02, 01:44 PM
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oops..
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PROJECT 1986 GT Stormbringer
 [This message has been edited by FieroWannaBe (edited 10-02-2007).]
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ryan.hess
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OCT 02, 02:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Mr.PBody:
I hate to say it but, the computer isn't your car, I am not going to beleive 811BHP and low 9s until the car starts. Do you have any pics of whats going on right now? Not flaming or anything I just want to see this all happen. |
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I'm not going to believe 800hp and low 9's until there's a dyno and timeslip. 
What does a "stock" superduty put out? (is there such a thing?) 140hp? 200?
If you're running 30psi, 400-600 sounds about right. Good luck anyways.... If you get close to that you're going to upset some people.
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The_Stickman2
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OCT 02, 02:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ryan.hess:
I'm not going to believe 800hp and low 9's until there's a dyno and timeslip.
What does a "stock" superduty put out? (is there such a thing?) 140hp? 200?
If you're running 30psi, 400-600 sounds about right. Good luck anyways.... If you get close to that you're going to upset some people. |
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The very streetable Indy Fiero put out a 232hp with just a 2bbl carb or TBI depending on who you talk to. Have seen pics of both used at the time. I have heard of numbers from 375-520hp from a N/A race engine. HotRod mde a streetable Fiero with the Cosworth 4 valve DOHC head that put out like 375HP. FastIndyFiero says he is going to turbo his and use nitrous. That should really bump the hp. Will it be 800? Dunno. I was figuring that a turbo SD-4 with a 2valve OHV head could do 500. Guess we will see.
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darkhorizon
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OCT 02, 02:32 PM
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Assuming it flows in the same ballpark to what a dohc head can flow, 600 horsepower is not at all far off. The only problem i see is the fact you will need to run MORE than 30psi of boost.
I think an hx40 or hx55 holset would do this for you. They live at 30psi, and can even go higher without to much efficiency loss.
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