Fiero 2m8 LT1 NX Roadster conversion (Page 17/46)
Fiero2m8 AUG 25, 11:40 PM
When I was under the dash I found this plug near the back of the radio.
Is this the plug for the addtional aux guages?
I have a 1986 Sport coupe.




I also found a spare plug above the rear window defroster - what option (that I don't have) is that for?


The Nitrous wiring is all done and wasn't to bad to install.
I followed these instruction here :

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Instructions/nozzlesystem.pdf

The GM jetting info is here:

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Instructions/gmjetting.pdf


My favourite part of the instructions is this paragraph at the end -

"DO NOT LISTEN TO:
A. YOUR BUDDY!
B. YOUR BUDDY’S FRIEND!
C. THE LOCAL NITROUS GURU!
D. ANY ARTICLE IN ANY MAGAZINE
If you follow the foregoing suggestions, your NX system will operate trouble free and provide years of thrills. ABOVE ALL REMEMBER TO RACE SAFE AND HAVE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Good Advice in my book - we've all heard Nitrous horror stories

The system features:

1. Hobbs switch (Fuel pressure safety switch)
2. Bottle pressure guage
3. MSD RPM digital window switch
4. WOT switch

Here is a couple shots of the arming switch. I mounted it in the console and will probably change it over to a red lighted rocker switch I found in the garage today, as it is less obtrusive than the one that came in the kit:






I also called Mark, the owner of Street and Performance who sold me the 92/93 LT1 ODBI ECM/harness.
Since I couldn't get the tach or speedo working, I finally called for his advice.

For the tach, he says I need a digital interface - not quite sure what that is but of course he sells them... not sure if I should be buying it from Arizona or if I can buy it locally though. That might explain why I couldn't get a tach signal off that white wire or with a tach filter off the white coil wire either.
I tried connecting the tach wire (white) from the ECM to the MSD RPM box and it is supposed to show rpm while the engine is running and it never went above 0rpm, so it doesn't work on that either.

For the speedo, he recommended plugging in the VSS plug from his harness in the governor and splicing the Fiero yellow to his purple wire and the Fiero purple to his yellow (reversed).
I temporarily did that (see below) and the speedo still didn't work
I am trying to dig up my V8 Archie video, but so far no luck finding it. I do remember that he splices both together before plugging in though.
Could I possibly have the wrong wires? I don't really see any other purple and yellow ones though.
The reason I ask is because the purple Fiero wire has 12V on it when IGN is on - should it?
When I had Purple to Purple and yellow to yellow connected at the VSS, the turn signal / backup light fuse blew!
I might also have a problem in the VSS itself, but I haven't tried replacing it yet.
I think it is working because the engine runs/drives better when it is plugged in from the LT1 computer.

VSS plug:




Wiring setup as suggested by Mark, owner of Street and Performance:




I explained that I had replaced the pulse style generator in the governor for the green gear driven one that the Fiero came with.
He said either with work with his ECM but I do need the Fiero style one for the speedo to work.

No fuses are blown anywhere, so I am running out of things to check.
It going to be tricky removing the governor cap with the header collector right there but I'm going to try next week.

On another note, while I was poking around the wires, I found and labelled the fan control wire and the temperature idiot light wire.
If I didn't sell my iron duke for $200 I might still have had the sensors I needed for them - at least they are labelled for a future date.

I also ordered a set of Nitrous plugs NGK TR6 as the NGK TR55's won't be a cold enough range.
While I was at KC auto parts, I found aluminum collector gaskets as the paper ones leaked and burnt.
I picked up grade 8 bolt and metal lock nuts at Nut and Bolt Supply and will let the muffler shop install them for free next week since the catalytic burn mark on my chest is still there...

Last thing I got today before the cruise night was picking up the capacitors to modify the tach.
I bought them at The Source (Radio Shack) in a variety pack that will get me the 0.0064 micro farads I need.
I realize that it isn't the most accurate way of doing it, but with an automatic trans and the digital window switch, I'll be fine.




My son thought putting this on was a good idea, althought it kinda gives people a heads up - not sure if it will stay on yet...




No shots from the cruise night as my camera battery died and I ordered 2 new ones, but I lost my voice talking about the car.
My son couldn't believe the crowd around a car that isn't even close to being finished


Sorry for all the questions!
I actually don't mind if they go unanswered - I feel better already just ranting and venting
Everytime I run into a snag, I work on something I like better for a awhile before a new strategy comes together.
However, I'm still not a fan of electrical wiring and it obviously shows - this is when I think of the Mercruiser engine I almost bought for this swap

Instead I have this bucket-O-wire!




Fiero2m8 is getting the weekend off as I'm heading up north to a family party.

Cheers!

[This message has been edited by Fiero2m8 (edited 09-18-2006).]

85SE AUG 29, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by Fiero2m8:

YES, PAGE 5! I KNEW IF I MADE THE POST LONG ENOUGH I MIGHT GET MY OWN PAGE THIS TIME
There, you've be warned it's long...

When I was under the dash I found this plug near the back of the radio.
Is this the plug for the addtional aux guages?
I have a 1986 Sport coupe.




I also found a spare plug above the rear window defroster - what option (that I don't have) is that for?



Ryan,

I'm not sure if that's the aux guage plug or not. My car is an 85, so I didn't have that one when I added the guages, but for what it's worth, there are only 5 or 6 wires max going to the aux gauges (ground, +12, the two signals, dimmer control, maybe one more?). That connector looks like it has at least 6 wires coming from it. Does your car have cruise? I discovered a spare connector under my dash behind the console this winter when I had it all apart. I looked through the wiring diagrams and found that it was related to the cruise control option that my car doesn't have.

The extra connector above the defrost is where the rear decklid release goes. Nice thing is that you can add the option by getting the switch in the car, relay and trunk wiring and solenoid. That's what I've read anyway; my car came with it so I've never done it. It's supposed to be an incredibly easy mod. I'm sure an archive search should turn something up.

Hope this helps! Also wish I could help with your VSS troubles but that's well beyond this amateur

Andrew

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85SE AUG 29, 11:35 AM
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20060206-2-066424.html

A little bit of help from a 30 second search

Andrew
Fiero2m8 SEP 02, 12:24 AM
Thanks Andrew!
I checked out the hatch situation and I now have the 85GT single wire setup on the current decklid but I also have a 4 wire decklid as a spare. When I run across the dash switch, I should be able to get it working...
Also, my car doesn't have cruise, A/C, power windows or locks etc. so that plug maybe for cruise although if I look hard enough, I probably will find the correct plug.

Before the cruise night I got a couple mods done today:

I noticed that my v-belt still vibrated at very high rpm - it wasn't a problem before the rebuild but my redline is now about 1500 rpm higher than stock, so I decided to try the idler pulley mod.
I used the LT1 idler pulley that came with my motor and bolted it to Archie's front engine mount using a piece of scrap 1x2" of steel to position the pulley in alignment midway between the harmonic balancer and the Fiero alternator.
It involved using a 15390 belt (15/32 x 39") or one inch longer than I had used last year.
Here is the picture of it after completion:



I also noticed that even though Archie's strut bar is mounted at the adapter plate, the front of the motor still tries to torque rearward under heavy load. Since I have very limited clearance to the frame rail (barely enough to get a new belt on) I wanted to do something to strengthen that area.

This is what I came up with:




It is a stock four cylinder Fiero dogbone bolted to the cylinder head through the shock tower and also bolted to the frame rail.
Now the motor doesn't move at all which should be good for the axles and the belt clearance. The only thing that can move now is the front wheels leaving the ground



Fiero2m8 SEP 02, 01:12 AM
Thanks 3800superfast.

These links have the info I need to hopefully get my speedo and tach working.

http://home.att.net/~subzero350/
http://www.euronet.nl/users/fo_elmo/wiring.htm
http://spad.sytes.net/fiero/manuals/

I tried hooking up the tach wire from the LT1 ODBI ECM (4000 pulse/mile) to my MSD digital window switch input and I don't get any rpm readings, so the problem may be bigger than I first thought.
Fiero2m8 SEP 03, 03:36 PM
Yesterday I removed the VSS / governor assembly to make sure everything mechanicallly is moving fine.
They appear to be fine. I was glad that the header clearance was a non-issue as once the bolts were removed, it could be swivelled slightly to remove the assembly:




Next I removed the NGK TR55 plugs and discovered a couple problems:

1. The number #2 wire was slightly off the optispark distributor causing a misfire and a rough idle.



My new colder NGK TR6 plugs were installed and gapped to .035" for the Nitrous application.
2. The front (normally driver's side bank) was running very rich due to a header / collector gasket leak (burnout)

I replaced both gaskets with dead soft aluminum ones for a permanent fix - the shop recommended installing them with metal locknuts. I picked up grade 8 bolts and metal lock nuts in place of the ones in the package.
I also had the grind the collector flange flat first as it was warpped from a previous overtightening mistake.




Checked again after the engine was up to operating temp and resnugged nuts and let them cool - finally no exhaust leaks
Sounds much better and it most importantly solved the rich condition (the O2 sensor was fooled into thinking the bank was lean due to the leak causing the ECM to richen the mixture for safety)!

Fiero2m8

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Fiero2m8 SEP 05, 08:55 PM
Today I called MSD in Texas (915-857-5200) for tech support getting the digital window switch working.
They suggested grabbing the white wire input from the negative (tach wire) on the coil.
Since the LT1 coil / coil driver is different than most cylinder type coils I had experience with, I called Street and Performance in Arizona (479-394-571) to ensure I was tapping into the correct white wire.
They were also helpful and said the white wire I needed was not on the coil driver plug, but the white wire on the grey half of the coil plug.
In this picture it is the white wire on the right side of the plug:




Success Here is a shot of the Fiero idling - the .7 represents 700rpm.




I successfully tested the Nitrous solenoids and they worked, so I should be able to test the spray on my next test drive
I am going to get some rpm on and off setting suggestions from Nitrous Express first though - I am thinking 3000-6000 should be the right range.


Here are a couple pictures of Archie's water pump belt drive for GKDINC as requested (sorry I accidently deleted your email)



I didn't use it as part of V8-Archie's deluxe auto kit because I was using the LT1's stock pump:




Since I reinstalled the tach with the V8 conversion mod, I tried hooking up the tach filter and stock Fiero tach wire to the LT1 coil, but unfortunately it still didn't work. It reads just under 1000rpm while cranking but quickly goes to 0rpm when the key is released as shown in the picture while cranking:




I also still haven't got the speedo working despite following advice I received.
I did however find a 4K pulse electric speedo wire exiting the LT1 computer that I thought I may be able to splice into the Fiero harness's yellow or purple wire near the VSS? Not sure if that output is capatible with the Fiero speedo, but it would probably run an aftermarket or electric speedo from a newer GM car. I would rather use the Fiero speedo if possible, so if anyone has ideas how to wire it correctly, send me a PM or post. Seems funny that I got this far in the build without getting stumped so more wiring diagram research is required I guess

Fiero2m8
Fiero2m8 SEP 11, 12:58 AM
Here are a few shots of the car cleaned up a little for tonight's cruise night:




The engine compartment was looking pretty good in the sunlight after it's first proper detailing job:




Even the front compartment was cleaned even though I usually don't leave it open at shows:




Hey, my sunroof still fits, so when I sell it, I can deliver it too




My friend was still trying to convince my wife Kim that people are 3 rows deep checking the engine swap out at cruise nights - she didn't believe him until she stopped by at one this week



About 100 new faces tonight in Niagara Falls, but they wouldn't stand still enough for the night setting on my camera

I also experimented with the ground effects again but they don't look right to me. I think they will be removed again even though they hide the x-frame completely.

I was very lucky to borrow a GM Tech I handheld scanner from the local dealer, so I am going the use that and Data Master I downloaded to determine why the engine is running rich and the exhaust is hotter than normal.
I was post more details this week.

Ryan

P.S. I switched the Nitrous jets to #24 NO and #20 Fuel (150 HP) and let the system do its thing tonight for the first time in 2nd gear - I WAS SPEECHLESS . If you're never experienced a sprayed car before, I highly recommend going for a ride in one, or better yet drive it !!!


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1986 Fiero2m8 (LT1 NX / 4T60 Roadster Build)
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/071642.html

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Fiero2m8 SEP 11, 10:06 AM
I read in the Haynes maual for the 1993 LT1 about the EGR system which was previously blocked off.

Here is a quote from the book "Common engine problems associated with the EGR system are rough idling or stalling at idle, rough engine performance during light throttle application and stalling during deceleration."

Since I still had the EGR system parts, I decided to reinstall them as I had experienced these symptoms a couple times and general consensus is that there is not a significant HP gain without EGR.

I followed the diagram is this link with the exception of the EGR tube - the local muffler shop installed a stainless one for me at no charge from the rear of the intake manifold (now at the front of the motor) to the left (driver's side) header collector.

http://shbox.com/1/egr1.jpg

The previous owner had put some JB Weld where the vacuum line connects to the valve, so we carefully drilled it out so it is functional again. So far it has improved cold engine idle and stalling

Fiero2m8

Gokart Mozart SEP 11, 11:39 AM
Great build up! Once again a great buildup with lots of tips>


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Originally posted by Fiero2m8:

The previous owner had put some JB Weld where the vacuum line connects to the valve, so we carefully drilled it out so it is functional again. So far it has improved cold engine idle and stalling

Fiero2m8



Did you made a dime off this fix?