PETROLPHOBIA (Page 57/66)
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 12, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:

No. It would not have increased anything. Supply and demand determine how much oil is pumped and transported. and the same amount was transported by rail as would have been transported by the pipeline. If I am wrong then post some link to prove it. I have already provided mine.




Fred, I can't do this with you... if you cannot include everything in one or two posts tops, then I'm just not going to bother reading your nonsense 10+ post response.


As for the above statement, do you realize how retarded this is? Seriously... this is what your arguments drill down to... as you begin to realize you're wrong... you do everything in your power to try to rephrase the argument as if you are correct. There are no physics or math that proves what you're saying is even remotely anything other than pure retardation. A direct pipeline to the refinery means a constant and uninterrupted flow of oil to the refinery. It does NOT:

- Get affected by traffic on the highway
- Require refined gasoline to transport unrefined oil
- Get into car accidents
- Require careful planning to ensure more trucks are sent to account for possible increases in demand

A direct oil pipeline solves all those problems... literally a single valve that operates instantaneously. As absurd as your argument is... even you realize the nonsense.

The rest of your stuff is the same kind of crap where you try desperately to argue semantics, while still being totally incorrect.



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Originally posted by rinselberg:

I don't know if there is a big upside to using a "multi-quote" approach, over what Fred has been doing, which is to break out each statement that he wants to quote and package it (with his response) as a separate message or "post."

To me it's like "six of one and a half-dozen of the other."

There may be some cases where the multi-quote approach does better, but personally, I wouldn't want to be too formulaic about it.




Rinse, it's because he doesn't know how to use COPY/PASTE... which has literally been around since the mid 70s, first used on the old SPARC platforms, and then in the mid-80s on the Apple Macintosh, and then in the dawn of Windows 3.0.

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cliffw SEP 13, 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:
And you are 100% correct in claiming that i don't get what the rate of inflation has to do with oil companies doing better under Biden than under Trump. the same inflation rate applies across the board to all industries, so it is not a factor in measuring their relative success.

So please explain.



My my. Oh intelligent one. The inflation caused by Biden's oil policy was / is, the trickle down effect of all fuel costs to to all industries.
fredtoast SEP 14, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Fred, I can't do this with you... if you cannot include everything in one or two posts tops, then I'm just not going to bother reading your nonsense 10+ post response.


As for the above statement, do you realize how retarded this is? Seriously... this is what your arguments drill down to... as you begin to realize you're wrong... you do everything in your power to try to rephrase the argument as if you are correct. There are no physics or math that proves what you're saying is even remotely anything other than pure retardation.




That quote was not "my opiniuon" it was the opinion of Jordan, Knauff & Company, an investment bank based in Chicago that provides merger and acquisition advisory services to the pump, valve and filtration industries.

Also it is completely correct and you are wrong. Who is going to take the opinion of someone so clueless as to insist that oil has been pumped from ANWR over investment bankers in the gas and oil industry.

You have a habit of just repeating "I am right because I say I am right" without posting anything to back it up. So please provide me with links to professionals in the filed who say that "supply and demand controlling production" is "retarded".

I'll wait.
fredtoast SEP 14, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:


My my. Oh intelligent one. The inflation caused by Biden's oil policy was / is, the trickle down effect of all fuel costs to to all industries.



Why did you quote my post and then not address what I said. Here it is so that you can try again


"I don't get what the rate of inflation has to do with oil companies doing better under Biden than under Trump. the same inflation rate applies across the board to all industries, so it is not a factor in measuring their relative success."
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 14, 07:55 PM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:That quote was not "my opiniuon" it was the opinion of Jordan, Knauff & Company, an investment bank based in Chicago that provides merger and acquisition advisory services to the pump, valve and filtration industries.

Also it is completely correct and you are wrong.




Sorry Fred, you are wrong... you lost this one too. I refuse to read 10+ separate replies... and I guess I really don't need to. I'm finding more and more that you view opinion as fact... which is really odd.
fredtoast SEP 15, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Sorry Fred, you are wrong... you lost this one too. I refuse to read 10+ separate replies... and I guess I really don't need to. I'm finding more and more that you view opinion as fact... which is really odd.



No I am not wrong. I have cited an expert opinion to prove it.

You are wrong, and the proof is that you can not post ant credible evidence to prove me wrong other than "I am right because I say I am right." That type of argument only works when you live in an echo chamber full of people who agree with whatever you say. In the real world it is a joke.

And you are still insisting that there has been oil production in ANWR aren't you?

You are completely clueless about all of this.

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rinselberg DEC 23, 04:04 AM
2023: U.S. has become the world's leading oil producer, producing almost 20% of world supply.

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If all goes well, 2023 will be remembered as the year the clean-energy revolution took off in America. Hundreds of billions of dollars in climate-related spending flowed into the U.S. economy. Nearly 300 clean-energy projects were announced across the country, and electric-vehicle sales hit a new record. “America is once again leading the world in the fight against climate change,” Joe Biden wrote, not unreasonably, in a presidential proclamation in October.

Here’s something else America is leading the world in: oil production. This year, the United States pumped out more oil than any other country in history, producing millions more barrels than Russia or Saudi Arabia ever have and accounting for almost a fifth of the world’s total oil production. And the Biden administration played a part in making it happen.



That's the beginning of a new report in The Atlantic from Rogé Karma that explains how this plus-up of U.S. oil production meshes with the Biden administration's commitment to move beyond fossil fuels and usher in an era of low greenhouse emissions energy that's friendlier to the earth's climate. It's about a 7-minute "read." There's also an audio option.

But you're thinking "Why should I care? I don't have an online subscription to The Atlantic."

This GIFT LINK is good through Saturday, January 6. Or maybe just Friday, January 5.
https://www.theatlantic.com...l&utm_campaign=shar e

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82-T/A [At Work] DEC 23, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

2023: U.S. has become the world's leading oil producer, producing almost 20% of world supply.

That's the beginning of a new report in The Atlantic from Rogé Karma that explains how this plus-up of U.S. oil production meshes with the Biden administration's commitment to move beyond fossil fuels and usher in an era of low greenhouse emissions energy that's friendlier to the earth's climate. It's about a 7-minute "read." There's also an audio option.



Sorry Rinse... this is what we call a "stat crime," where fact is being misrepresented to portray a DIFFERENT conclusion than the one the facts actually present.

Crude oil doesn’t mean gasoline or diesel, which is what people refer to when we talk about oil / energy independence. Most of the oil that’s being pumped / produced is not “sweet crude” that can be used for gasoline production … it’s possible we’ve lost that forever. It’s for petroleum based product manufacturing and some diesel fuels. So this is a misrepresentation for what 95% of the people who see it would think. Biden essentially destroyed oil production (used for fossil fuels) when he first took office, same as President Obama did. This clearly hurt Biden, which is why he was releasing stockpiles of oil from the strategic oil reserves. Around the end of 2021 (December) and into early 2022, he went into overdrive approving a lot of oil leases that he had previously denied. He did this because gasoline was almost $5 dollars a gallon at one point.

As you know (because we’ve talked about it many times), it can usually take a year or more before we see the benefits of a new oil lease. That’s because oil production cannot be shut off like a light switch, and then expect it to turn back on immediately. I went into all this before. But basically, we are starting to see the benefits of the oil leases he approved in early 2022. That’s why you’re starting to see gas prices at ~$3.00 a gallon.

Even still, the unfortunate thing is that because sweet crude oil leases were not granted (or cancelled for that matter), the oil companies started looking elsewhere. There’s a massive… MASSIVE shale deposit in Guyana. Much of the oil production (for gasoline) we’ve been producing has been from fracking and horizontal drilling. But it looks like this new shale deposit is even larger than anything we’ve seen before, and it’s unlikely that the U.S. will be a major exporter of sweet crude in the future.

Anyway, you can read about what I've stated above (oil production vs. "energy production) here from the US Energy Information Administration: https://www.eia.gov/todayin.../detail.php?id=60622

“Although exports increased in the first half of 2023, the United States still imports more crude oil than it exports, meaning it remains a net crude oil importer. The United States continues to import crude oil despite rising domestic crude oil production in part because many U.S. refineries are configured to process heavy, sour crude oil (with a low API gravity and high sulfur content) rather than the light, sweet crude oil (with a high API gravity and low sulfur content) typically produced in the United States.”
USFiero JAN 06, 03:49 AM
GA governor Kemp ended the gas tax holiday just before he announced the first cut in income taxes for Georgians in a very long time. Regular is around $3 a gallon.

It doesn't have to be this high.
Raydar JAN 07, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by USFiero:

GA governor Kemp ended the gas tax holiday just before he announced the first cut in income taxes for Georgians in a very long time. Regular is around $3 a gallon.

It doesn't have to be this high.



$2.79 at the station I use. Seems to be trending downward, but we shall see.