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Patrick
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JAN 04, 11:47 PM
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I've come across a video that I think we should all watch. No, it's not some handpicked video that I've selected which may (or may not!) back up anything I've stated in this thread.
For a variety of reasons, YouTube may be forced to pull this video. Watch it while you can. I've just seen the first 16 minutes so far. This is big stuff!
[EDIT] I've now watched the whole video (just over an hour)... and there is some mind blowing info revealed that will knock your socks off. I don't know what to believe anymore.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 01-05-2025).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 05, 10:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Quite the metaphor, eh... a "Vice Prez" Elon Musk vehicle burning in front of a Trump hotel. That photo (yes, it is genuine) is liable to become one of the most iconic images of the 2020's.
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I don't know... I'm tired of the tit for tat. Going into 2025 last month, I was all about revenge and wanted to see people suffer. I think sometimes pain and struggle can change people for the better... sometimes. I think it did with Trump. He's still Trump, but I think we'll see changes that... even if the "losing team" isn't happy with the "winning team's success," will still certainly see the country's recovery.
I'm sure this will get used now and then, but this was a mentally ill person... it'll probably get used by the same kind of people who make George Floyd memes.
| quote | Originally posted by Doug85GT:
It would not surprise me if this was caused by either PTSD or brain damage suffered from his service.
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It is really sad, different people deal with stuff in different ways. I can't watch war movies without emotionally breaking down... which seems trite and unimportant, but it's just one example of how I've changed after being exposed to this kind of stuff. I can only imagine someone who has had to actually kill someone, how they must struggle day to day dealing with that. It upsets me so much when I see people on the street who are veterans, particularly because they likely ended up there because of the pain and emotional challenges they dealt with.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
I've come across a video that I think we should all watch. No, it's not some handpicked video that I've selected which may (or may not!) back up anything I've stated in this thread.
[EDIT] I've now watched the whole video (just over an hour)... and there is some mind blowing info revealed that will knock your socks off. I don't know what to believe anymore.
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Ok, I'll watch it, but I'm going to be pissed if it's stuff I already know or it's wild conspiracy stuff... haha...
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 05, 12:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
For a variety of reasons, YouTube may be forced to pull this video. Watch it while you can. I've just seen the first 16 minutes so far. This is big stuff!
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Ok, I just watched like 90% of it. I skipped the "newsletter" discussion in the middle, and glossed over some of the other stuff, but I watched a straight 45 minutes of it. Here's my thoughts...
I think this is a guy who had access to intel, and was allowing it to get to him. I last had access to intel 3 years ago, and of course, I would never confirm or validate anything that I knew, so I won't ever do that... but what I know is quickly getting stale. First and foremost... "UAP" stuff... I think the whole thing about Gravitic technology... I dunno, seems kind of silly. The drones being used in New Jersey were very clearly driven by props... and not some anti-gravity technology... so I think that's just crazy stuff (I'll get to that more).
I did find it interesting that he believed the drones were being launched by submarines from China off our coast. This was something I too also mentioned on here... again, not referencing intel. But it's very specific so I would hazard a guess that he's likely seen intelligence stating this. What I do know is that China has significantly more advanced submarine technology than we do... which is based entirely off stolen (from us) technology. They have a larger NAVY than we do also. They know they cannot compete with sheer power (as we do with massive air craft carriers), but they've focused their research and development on the latest generation of spy submarines. They have significantly more than we do. Where our current class (Columbia, Virginia, etc.) excel is in the ability to remain at sea far longer. China doesn't have the infrastructure or logistics (or the ability) to remain at sea for as long as we do... but they do have more (and with better stealth technology) than we do. This is publicly known and shared information. I haven't followed up on the drones, but I did think many of them were from China, and just as I said... it was merely a show of force ... which is propaganda, and it's what we all do to show other nations what we've done.
There was a bunch of nonsense about the CyberTruck, I don't know... he didn't seem to like Trump any more than he did other presidents... it seemed like he was just against what he viewed was a lot of corruption by the military and global governments.
On the killing of civilians in Afghanistan. I was in Afghanistan in 2019, just a few months after that alleged situation. I don't ever remember hearing about it (not saying it didn't happen), but I don't think it was intentional. What I do know is that there were constant intel failures. So much in fact that one agency chewed out the other agency, and they actually halted intelligence production for an entire month, and people were sent home. It largely had to do with ineffective leadership among the agencies dealing with intelligence and risk aversion... something that I struggled with from my own agency at the time, that was very frustrating. A lot of the intel we got was either totally misinterpreted, or they actually did nothing with it. One of the big issues was that "bad guys" constantly use catch phrases... things that they use to reference situations. Like, just making this up... "The brown dog left the dog house." Some totally meaningless thing that to them might mean that a bomb was on it's way to a target. But because of agency lawyers and other totally risk-averse middle-management... they disallowed intel analysts from doing anything other than interpreting it literally... meaning... a brown dog apparently just left his dog house. This was a huge thing that happened in Afghanistan. When the then Administration found out... they basically shut down the entire department responsible for it, and it didn't come back online until a month later. But this was the kind of bull **** that went on all the time.
Another thing worth mentioning too is that not all intel is GOOD intel. Especially intelligence that comes from HUMINT... that is... it's literally human reported (not intercepted or captured information). This information can be totally outrageous, and often is no better than the mental state of the person reporting it to the organization. In my various duties, we also had access to FBI intelligence as it pertained to international things. Some of those reports (which can literally come from the website), were totally nuts... aliens this, aliens that (the extraterrestrial kind). If you were less than stable mentally, it would probably drive you nuts because there was constantly "this thing will end the world tomorrow" ... you know... every once in a while it's true (9/11), but mostly it's not (PizzaGate). I suspect this guy likely just went nuts.
Back on the Afghan thing with the drugs... the only thing I know about that is that we (the U.S.) directly funded programs to help train and teach Afghans to create commodity and farm their land. I can't remember what it was specifically... but we basically paid for tons of infrastructure, tractors, you name it... to help Afghan farmers till their land and grow crops that could be sold internationally (to help build an economy). Unfortunately, what often happened is these farmers realized that they could make a lot more money growing drug-plants than whatever else it was. I think it was poppy plants (if I'm not mistaken) that many of them ended up growing... used to make heroin. I don't know that we were necessarily targeting drug producers, but I guess my point originally was that if civilians died, it was probably because of shitty intel ... just like when Biden launched a drone strike killing over a dozen children and an aide worker when he thought he was killing the "ISIS-K" people that had bombed his ordered retreat.
Bottom line, this is a guy who had dealt with too much, and called it quits. Thankfully, he didn't hurt anyone else (whether intentional or unintentional). I was not in a good place either. Although I truly believe I would never do anything like that... I still had to "get out" and made the decision to leave the agency, which I do not regret. I love my time with them, I will always be proud of the work I did and who I was able to help... but the failure was too much for me to justify spending any more of my life in a place where I felt failure was constantly inevitable... not because of us, but because of poor decisions that are constantly based on the politics of people who simply don't understand.
I don't know if this post was a fun gotcha, or what you'd hoped with it... but there, you wasted 2 hours of my Sunday... hah...
EDIT: Spelling corrected...[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 01-05-2025).]
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Raydar
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JAN 05, 12:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Who exactly are my "enemies"?
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Trump supporters? (Would seem to be supported by your third comment, below.) Primarily American Trump supporters, since we're right here, and such "easy" targets.
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Seriously, you can't think of why "anyone" might wish to twist the circumstances of this event?
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Seriously, not really. Again, it goes completely against the narrative that the Media has been espousing, for nearly a decade.
If you disagree, what are your thoughts? Please tell us why someone would wish to twist the circumstances.
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One less Trump supporter is fine by me (if that's what he was)... but the only "irritating" part of this story to me is that it makes no sense.
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I'll refer you back to your first comment/question.
Of course it makes no sense. Suicide, in itself, makes no sense to any rational person. It's a function of twisted logic. What other twisted activities may go along with it are anyone's guess.[This message has been edited by Raydar (edited 01-05-2025).]
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Patrick
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JAN 05, 05:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I don't know if this post was a fun gotcha, or what you'd hoped with it...
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I'm disappointed that you feel that way, as I tried to express as honestly as I could in my last post that this video was not "handpicked" by me to "back up" anything I've previously stated.
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
...but there, you wasted 2 hours of my Sunday... hah...
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And I read your whole post... so I guess we're even. 
However...
In your post, you've focused about 95% on the events in Afghanistan... probably because you spent time there. Sure, that part was important, but that was hardly what the entire hour of the video was about.
You quickly dismissed any discussion on "gravatic propulsion systems", and China's access to it, simply saying it was "silly". You stated... "The drones being used in New Jersey were very clearly driven by props". All of them? You know this for a fact? No you don't, and I don't know either. However, this Green Beret, who had access to intelligence, certainly seemed to believe that there was something going on that the general public was not being made aware of. Quickly shrugging this information off as "silly" seems... well, it seems silly to do so!
There were many things brought up during the hour long video, but you also didn't touch upon at all probably one of the most interesting points mentioned. The very last thing said in the video was... "I wonder if this ****ing guy is still alive".  Yes, you neglected to mention anything about how the DNA of the burned up dead body in the Tesla doesn't match the DNA of the Green Beret's son. The discussion revolved around how the powers that be have tried to frame this around the proposed scenario that he was pissed off at his son not actually being his etc which led to the suicide... whereas the other possibility is that the Green Beret was not in the Tesla at all. And also that the dead person in the Tesla was shot in the head prior to the Tesla pulling up to the Trump hotel, as there was no indication that a large caliber gun had been fired just prior to the fire. It was proposed that the summon feature of the Tesla might have been invoked to self-drive the Tesla to the hotel with the already dead body inside.
Yes, it would be easy to laugh off everything I've mentioned as nonsense, mostly because I haven't provided any evidence... but that's what watching the entire video is for... and not just parts of it. There's tons of stuff mentioned with all kinds of information to back it up. You admit to having "glossed over" parts of the video. I feel you did yourself a disservice in doing so.
I'm not suggesting that everyone should believe everything or anything that is mentioned in the video, not at all.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick Here:
I don't know what to believe anymore.
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Remain skeptical, but at least be open to potentially new insights.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 01-05-2025).]
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Patrick
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JAN 05, 05:33 PM
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Raydar, all I can say in response to your post(s) is that it's unfortunate if you believe everyone you disagree with is your "enemy". That would be incredibly taxing. I can't/don't live my life that way.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 01-05-2025).]
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Patrick
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JAN 05, 08:01 PM
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And it gets deeper and deeper...
It's been floated that supposedly this active Green Beret was on anti-psychotic meds, and that he changed his meds and went off his rocker. This begs the question, can a Green Beret be on anti-psychotic medication and still be active? 
For anyone following the story, this video may also be of interest.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 05, 08:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
And I read your whole post... so I guess we're even.
However...
In your post, you've focused about 95% on the events in Afghanistan... probably because you spent time there. Sure, that part was important, but that was hardly what the entire hour of the video was about.
You quickly dismissed any discussion on "gravatic propulsion systems", and China's access to it, simply saying it was "silly". You stated... "The drones being used in New Jersey were very clearly driven by props". All of them? You know this for a fact? No you don't, and I don't know either. However, this Green Beret, who had access to intelligence, certainly seemed to believe that there was something going on that the general public was not being made aware of. Quickly shrugging this information off as "silly" seems... well, it seems silly to do so!
There were many things brought up during the hour long video, but you also didn't touch upon at all probably one of the most interesting points mentioned. The very last thing said in the video was... "I wonder if this ****ing guy is still alive". Yes, you neglected to mention anything about how the DNA of the burned up dead body in the Tesla doesn't match the DNA of the Green Beret's son. The discussion revolved around how the powers that be have tried to frame this around the proposed scenario that he was pissed off at his son not actually being his etc which led to the suicide... whereas the other possibility is that the Green Beret was not in the Tesla at all. And also that the dead person in the Tesla was shot in the head prior to the Tesla pulling up to the Trump hotel, as there was no indication that a large caliber gun had been fired just prior to the fire. It was proposed that the summon feature of the Tesla might have been invoked to self-drive the Tesla to the hotel with the already dead body inside.
Yes, it would be easy to laugh off everything I've mentioned as nonsense, mostly because I haven't provided any evidence... but that's what watching the entire video is for... and not just parts of it. There's tons of stuff mentioned with all kinds of information to back it up. You admit to having "glossed over" parts of the video. I feel you did yourself a disservice in doing so.
I'm not suggesting that everyone should believe everything or anything that is mentioned in the video, not at all.
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Yeah, I realize I didn't respond in regard to everything discussed, but there was a lot there. I kind of disregard out of hand that the guy is still alive. I remember seeing in the news that they were in fact able to verify DNA by comparing it to a family member... so I didn't even mention it.
The other thing I didn't mention was the Iranian "Invisible" missiles. I don't really have anything to say about that. They're obviously not invisible... but if it's true (meaning the information they said was valid)... it's probably something that just goes against normal detection means. It's not great... if in fact Iran has some kind of shoulder-launched missile available to them here in the U.S., but I don't really have anything to say about it.
As for the "Gravitic Engine." I would think an anti-gravity propulsion would be awesome... I just don't believe it. Something like that would be impossible to keep relatively secret. I had access to the highest level of information... had literally the worst compartments you could imagine. There's too many things to SAP, but even still, I'd probably have heard about it with my access. And I've never heard of such thing... which doesn't mean it doesn't exist, I just don't think it's real.
As for the drones, it likely would have been obvious I'd think... and I doubt seriously that China would use their most heavily classified technology that was almost to the level of what we imagine "alien" technology to be... in a silly show of force over New Jersey on the off chance someone in the administration decided to shoot it down.
I mean, I don't know... but that's my take.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 05, 08:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
And it gets deeper and deeper...
It's been floated that supposedly this active Green Beret was on anti-psychotic meds, and that he changed his meds and went off his rocker. This begs the question, can a Green Beret be on anti-psychotic medication and still be active?
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That he's a green beret doesn't really make a difference (compared to other military members, for example). It just depends on whether his commanding officer is willing to sign off on him.
A lot has changed in the past decade. It used to be if you sought help from a psychiatrist, it would very negatively affect your clearance (and your job). Now... if you don't seek help for something you clearly do need help for, that will affect your clearance. So It likely didn't mean anything in terms of being allowed to stay active duty.
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Patrick
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JAN 05, 08:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
It used to be if you sought help from a psychiatrist, it would very negatively affect your clearance (and your job). Now... if you don't seek help for something you clearly do need help for, that will affect your clearance.
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Simply "seeking help" from a psychiatrist (who can treat a patient with counselling for example), is a whole different kettle of fish than the need to be put on anti-psychotic medication. So I'm not asking about just being treated by a psychiatrist per se, I'm asking about the ramifications of someone within the Army’s Special Operations Command requiring (and taking) anti-psychotic drugs. It would seem like a disaster waiting to happen.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 01-05-2025).]
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