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NewDustin JUL 10, 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

So, you didn't read the article, or you don't understand what he's talking about.

1 - Money used to organize protests (signs, U-Haul rentals, on-site coordinators, etc.) is not a free resource.
2 - Money used to pay the people in Iran who are spreading the information on Social Media is not a free resource.
3 - Money used to pay for the internet access for the people in Iran who are spreading the propaganda is not free.
4 - Intelligence coordination within the Ministry of Intelligence (Iranian's Spy Agency) is not a free resource.



It’s the latter. From the actual Statement from the Director of National Intelligence, the only information about Iran’s activities is the following:

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“We have observed actors tied to Iran’s government posing as activists online, seeking to encourage protests, and even providing financial support to protesters.”



There’s further information in the Fox article, but not much. Here’s everything on Iranian activities from that article:

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"We have observed actors tied to Iran’s government posing as activists online, seeking to encourage protests, and even providing financial support to protesters," 
"remain vigilant as they engage online with accounts and actors they do not personally know."
“Iran "will continue to rely on their intelligence services in these efforts, as well as Iran-based online influencers, to promote their narratives."



You know Iranian has an annual GDP of half a trillion dollars, has a well-funded military/terrorism-supporting infrastructure, and has spent nearly 2 billion dollars a year funding terrorism every year for the last long-as-it-matters, right? We’re wondering where they got the funding to pay for...*checks notes*... Uhauls, internet access, and folks that are already on their staff?

[This message has been edited by NewDustin (edited 07-10-2024).]

NewDustin JUL 10, 09:43 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:

Irans GDP is over $400 million.


Well yeah, it's over $400 billion. It's 10x more than $400 million.
NewDustin JUL 10, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

It's easy to armchair when you don't know anything about this... but it's not as simplistic as you think.

For one, to organize protests (from Iran) in another country many thousand miles away... and have it scale to multiple states, multiple colleges, and multiple venues all at the same time, requires a lot of funding and resources to coordinate. This is many millions of dollars, just to organize, make pay-offs, recruit, and facilitate this. That doesn't even cover the mass-production of signs at the local printers, across all the different protests, and do it in such a way that there's little to no tie-back to Iran directly.
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Whoa there...the sum total of actual information from the primary source:
“We have observed actors tied to Iran’s government posing as activists online, seeking to encourage protests, and even providing financial support to protesters.”
Where is the information about them

Internet propaganda also isn't at all what you think it is. When Russia did this, it wasn't just a bunch of Russian fan-boys that all hopped on Twitter and started trashing the U.S.. It's highly coordinated. That affort was 100s of millions of dollars, much of it funneled through what was called the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg... https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...rnet_Research_Agency

You can be sure that Iran is likely doing something similar... and that it's not just a bunch of Ayatollah fans on X and Facebook at-will spouting off. The propaganda is carefully coordinated to ensure proper propagation to increase the viral-nature of it. None of these people are free (EDIT: free labor), despite it being a dictatorial country. This costs money, not only for the infrastructure to do it, but the planning, intelligence, and coordination.

For a country who's GDP is $400 million (I'll take your word for it), this is a large undertaking and not something they hand their credit card over for without looking at the bill. This doesn't even address the fact that they're doing the same thing in Europe, and probably also (to a lesser degree) the rest of Asia and South / Central America.




The sum total of information provided by the primary source on Iran’s activities

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“We have observed actors tied to Iran’s government posing as activists online, seeking to encourage protests, and even providing financial support to protesters.”


Your take away from that list:
∙ Scale to multiple states, multiple colleges, and multiple venues all at the same time
∙ Millions of dollars, just to organize, make pay-offs, recruit, and facilitate this.
∙ Mass-production of signs at the local printers, across all the different protests
∙ A similar level of effort to what Russian mounted for the 2016 elections

That's quite a bit of conjecture...unless there's another source being ghost-cited for this particular briefing?

…and Iran’s GDP is ~$463 billion dollars. They have a ~$2 billion/year budget for funding these kinds of activities.

So...why are we assuming this funding is external, and who are we assuming it came from? There was mention of multiple sources above, but all that’s been linked is a primary source and a Fox News article reporting on that same primary source. Am I missing something?
ray b JUL 10, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I think most understand that Russia and China do the same thing.

I would not be surprised to find that the USA influences Americans, in a roundabout way.



wow you finally said something true

I bet putin helps iran do it
[with the system putin supports the rump WITH]
ray b JUL 10, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
It's easy to armchair when you don't know anything about this... but it's not as simplistic as you think.


For one, to organize protests (from Iran) in another country many thousand miles away... and have it scale to multiple states, multiple colleges, and multiple venues all at the same time, requires a lot of funding and resources to coordinate. This is many millions of dollars, just to organize, make pay-offs, recruit, and facilitate this. That doesn't even cover the mass-production of signs at the local printers, across all the different protests, and do it in such a way that there's little to no tie-back to Iran directly.

Internet propaganda also isn't at all what you think it is. When Russia did this, it wasn't just a bunch of Russian fan-boys that all hopped on Twitter and started trashing the U.S.. It's highly coordinated. That affort was 100s of millions of dollars, much of it funneled through what was called the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg... https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...rnet_Research_Agency

You can be sure that Iran is likely doing something similar... and that it's not just a bunch of Ayatollah fans on X and Facebook at-will spouting off. The propaganda is carefully coordinated to ensure proper propagation to increase the viral-nature of it. None of these people are free (EDIT: free labor), despite it being a dictatorial country. This costs money, not only for the infrastructure to do it, but the planning, intelligence, and coordination.

For a country who's GDP is $400 million (I'll take your word for it), this is a large undertaking and not something they hand their credit card over for without looking at the bill. This doesn't even address the fact that they're doing the same thing in Europe, and probably also (to a lesser degree) the rest of Asia and South / Central America.




SO TRACE THE PUTIN FUNDS IN THE USA
WHO GETS THEM FOR WHAT ACTS

IF YOU DARE !
ray b JUL 10, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:


∙ A similar level of effort to what Russian mounted for the 2016 elections

That's quite a bit of conjecture...unless there's another source being ghost-cited for this particular briefing?

…and Iran’s GDP is ~$463 billion dollars. They have a ~$2 billion/year budget for funding these kinds of activities.

So...why are we assuming this funding is external, and who are we assuming it came from? There was mention of multiple sources above, but all that’s been linked is a primary source and a Fox News article reporting on that same primary source. Am I missing something?



WELL BILLIONS MILLIONS a lot of money
but who got the money
that is more interesting
and what they did for it or with it

what did jarad the sob s-in-l of the rump get 2 billion from the saudi ?
why is that not a bribe ???
Valkrie9 JUL 10, 05:01 PM
' Grab 'em by the Pushy ! '
Biden_Joe threatened the life of Tara Reade, forcing her to flee.
He did grab her by the pushy, inserting a digit, up against the wall.
Oh, he'll deny it, but then, we all know he's a chronic pathological liar, a corrupt demented politician.
Cross checking the chronology, you will discover that it was the same time period that he creeped Ashley's teenie bed, a coke spoon in hand, a ' Big Guy ' election prominently displayed, ' Wake up Ashley, I have a surprise for your thirteenth birthday ! Annual ! '.
Politicians
Gee, what a swell guy ! Not !
He needs to feel remorse for the harm he's done, face Constitutional Justice to learn of his doom.
' You are hereby sentenced to be taken to the prison yard at Leavenworth Penitentiary, there to be executed for the crime of treason ! Tomorrow at dawn. '
Benedict Arnold too was a turncoat, Biden_Joe has rendered the Nation defenseless, vulnerable to attack, millions of insurgents entering without consequence.
That he diddled his daughter while raging on coke makes it a simple affidavit to remove him from office, overnight, escorted off the premises to an idling white van, bound for the psychological ward at Walter Reed, a rubber room and a strait jacket, to prevent self harm, naturally.
' I'm still the pretendadent ! '
' South of France, Joe, a holiday ! Now, here, take your sedatives Joe, they'll help you sleep !'
ray b JUL 10, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by Valkrie9:

' Grab 'em by the Pushy ! '
Biden_Joe threatened the life of Tara Reade, forcing her to flee.
He did grab her by the pushy, inserting a digit, up against the wall.
Oh, he'll deny it, but then, we all know he's a chronic pathological liar, a corrupt demented politician.
Cross checking the chronology, you will discover that it was the same time period that he creeped Ashley's teenie bed, a coke spoon in hand, a ' Big Guy ' election prominently displayed, ' Wake up Ashley, I have a surprise for your thirteenth birthday ! Annual ! '.
Politicians
Gee, what a swell guy ! Not !
He needs to feel remorse for the harm he's done, face Constitutional Justice to learn of his doom.
' You are hereby sentenced to be taken to the prison yard at Leavenworth Penitentiary, there to be executed for the crime of treason ! Tomorrow at dawn. '
Benedict Arnold too was a turncoat, Biden_Joe has rendered the Nation defenseless, vulnerable to attack, millions of insurgents entering without consequence.
That he diddled his daughter while raging on coke makes it a simple affidavit to remove him from office, overnight, escorted off the premises to an idling white van, bound for the psychological ward at Walter Reed, a rubber room and a strait jacket, to prevent self harm, naturally.
' I'm still the pretendadent ! '
' South of France, Joe, a holiday ! Now, here, take your sedatives Joe, they'll help you sleep !'



this deplorable is delusional ^

btw the nation is far better off now then under the rump ruling reich
ray b JUL 10, 06:27 PM
o now I get it

the attack on joe
is not based on any thing joe did

it is about the kiddly fiddiling rump and epstein

explains the do not release the epstein files panic by the rump

btw when epstein didNOT kill himself
was that an OFFICIAL ACT ?

BTW2 FOLLOW THE MONEY

LIST OF YOUNG GIRLS WHO GOT HUGE PAYMENTS FROM THE TRUMP

no one admits why he paid so many so much

jess leeds
kristian anderson
jill harth
lisa boyne
mariah ballado
victoria hughes
cathy heller
t t macdowl
carrah virginia
bridget sullivan
tasha dixon
mindy mcgillivery
rachel crooks
natasha stoynoff
jenn murhfy
jenifer huddy
jess drake
linni laarkinsones
sam holvey
summer versos

and others

not small payments

WHY

follow the money

epstein did die
why
to protect who ?
williegoat JUL 10, 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:

o now I get it

the attack on joe
is not based on any thing joe did

it is about the kiddly fiddiling rump and epstein

explains the do not release the epstein files panic by the rump

btw when epstein didNOT kill himself
was that an OFFICIAL ACT ?

BTW2 FOLLOW THE MONEY

LIST OF YOUNG GIRLS WHO GOT HUGE PAYMENTS FROM THE TRUMP

no one admits why he paid so many so much

jess leeds
kristian anderson
jill harth
lisa boyne
mariah ballado
victoria hughes
cathy heller
t t macdowl
carrah virginia
bridget sullivan
tasha dixon
mindy mcgillivery
rachel crooks
natasha stoynoff
jenn murhfy
jenifer huddy
jess drake
linni laarkinsones
sam holvey
summer versos

and others

not small payments

WHY

follow the money

epstein did die
why
to protect who ?