Difference between "Judaism" and "Zionism". (Page 10/15)
Jake_Dragon OCT 14, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

I've posted basically the same thing myself, on more than several occasions over the years. Yet the "leftist" label continues to be thrown around here with reckless abandon.




As far as I can remember I have never used it. I have use ass hat, ass hole, dumb ass, **** for brains.... I'm sure there are more but they were singular and very rarely used to describe a group of people.
I have use animals to describe the savages we currently have been dealing with but I dont need any more of a label than that.
cliffw OCT 15, 05:17 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
That describes Wichita in spades. It's the perfect description of him.
I don't think he's well.



To you. Your opinion seems to be alone.


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Originally posted by rinselberg:
He hasn't come into this topic, but he is in so many other threads that I don't think it is out of line for me to single him out. I already did that on the second page of this thread.



It is out of line for you to single him out. Are you hoping we will all come to believe what you think and help you curtail the behavior of which YOU abhor ? Are you upset that no one else but YOU gets their panties in a wad ?
rinselberg OCT 15, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
It is out of line for you to single him out. Are you hoping we will all come to believe what you think and help you curtail the behavior of which YOU abhor ? Are you upset that no one else but YOU gets their panties in a wad?


The most interesting aspect of Wichita is that he exposes the flaws and fallacies in cliffw's and other forum members' thinking—or at least, in their commentaries.

We have "82-T/A" twisting himself into a pretzel with his convoluted attempts to frame Wichita's remarks as well considered or insightful.

We have other forum members who habitually "drive past" the train wreck that is Wichita, without ever slowing down to remark on it.

The latest from Wichita:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/000720.html#p32

A remark and a cartoon that are "out of the blue" and have no connection to anything that was being talked about in that thread. That's a non sequitur.

[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 10-15-2023).]

82-T/A [At Work] OCT 15, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
We have "82-T/A" twisting himself into a pretzel with his convoluted attempts to frame Wichita's remarks as well considered or insightful.




There's no twisting, I strongly disagree with that meme. I already explained my reasoning... it's pretty clear why transgender groups seek out young kids to propagandize to... it's because they want indoctrination. It's not about teaching kids to read. I mean, I think we know that's obvious, right?
rinselberg OCT 15, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
There's no twisting, I strongly disagree with that meme. I already explained my reasoning... it's pretty clear why transgender groups seek out young kids to propagandize to... it's because they want indoctrination. It's not about teaching kids to read. I mean, I think we know that's obvious, right?


That sounds promising.

I have it on my To Do list to review what you said. I guess I overlooked part of it.
82-T/A [At Work] OCT 15, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That sounds promising.

I have it on my To Do list to review what you said. I guess I overlooked part of it.




Haha... sorry Rinse, I didn't want you to get excited. A lot going on today. I meant to say that I strongly "agreed" with that meme.

For the record, I view LGB to be completely different than the "T." There are no gay, lesbian, or bi-sexual-themed children's story time. There are a LOT of "Transgender" themed story time though... and that meme is very appropriate.

My opinion, and I think most people (whether htey are supportive or not) would agree with this. The overwhelming vast majority of those who are identifying as "transgender" are not actually suffering from gender dysphoria, but viewing the gender-fluid craze as a "club" if you will. Something to be part of (like how kids were goth or whatever in high school). Yes, there are legitimately people who are transgender and suffer from gender dysphoria. I've known several... they do not support the political edge to all of this that's come about. For most people, this is about politics. The majority of these radical people also support Communism, Antifa, and other radical-left groups. It is a mental illness.

That shouldn't be taken to believe that I don't think there are people who have gender dysphoria where being transgender helps them with it. I just recognize that for at least 3/4ths of the (anything but normal) gender group... it's really about being seen, being heard, having some control over their lives, and politics.
Patrick OCT 15, 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

My opinion, and I think most people (whether htey are supportive or not) would agree with this...



Based on what data?


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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

The overwhelming vast majority of those who are identifying as "transgender" are not actually suffering from gender dysphoria, but viewing the gender-fluid craze as a "club" if you will. Something to be part of (like how kids were goth or whatever in high school).



People simply wanting to join a "club" are not going to take hormone therapy and undergo extensive life-altering surgery. My personal feelings about this transgender wave is that a lot of these people are mentally ill and/or traumatized in some manner, and are looking for something/anything to bring some level of comfort to their lives. I'm afraid it'll only cause them further misery down the road if/when they fully realize what they've done. (It's not like they can reverse the procedure.) But I'm definitely no expert on the subject, and I certainly won't state that "most people would agree with this".

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82-T/A [At Work] OCT 16, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

Based on what data?




Well... a perfect example is... you just essentially agreed with me too (below).

There are dozens of studies, but here's a simple (non-technical) article on the National Institute of Health:
https://news.yahoo.com/nhs-...fying-123016885.html


As to WHY it's a phase... I'd reference you to Wichita's graphic post about mental illness. It wasn't taken well by you, Rinse, etc... on Pennocks, but it's actually a real study that we've referenced here a few times before. Mental illness is extremely high among people on the left.

This is a good VERY a-political post that discusses the reason why neuroticism is exponentially higher on the left than it is on the right: https://www.psychologytoday...illness-and-ideology

... and a more right-of-center analysis of the same data: https://thuletide.wordpress...-and-mental-illness/


Why I reference this is because the narrative on the left is to accept and not question. As the NHS article stated, there is a tendency to "disregarding other health issues." By that, they mean other mental illness. Autism has grown exponentially over the years as well, and that leads to a whole host of psychological issues when there aren't left and right boundaries defined for behavior. The left tends to accept everything and anything, and mental illness isn't questioned, but in many cases is actually embraced. Unfortunately, this leads only to a further festering of mental illness... and even acceptance among peer groups... which again, only increases the chances that someone will go down that road.



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Originally posted by Patrick:
People simply wanting to join a "club" are not going to take hormone therapy and undergo extensive life-altering surgery. My personal feelings about this transgender wave is that a lot of these people are mentally ill and/or traumatized in some manner, and are looking for something/anything to bring some level of comfort to their lives. I'm afraid it'll only cause them further misery down the road if/when they fully realize what they've done. (It's not like they can reverse the procedure.) But I'm definitely no expert on the subject, and I certainly won't state that "most people would agree with this".




Well, you just "agreed" with the exact same conclusion that I came to, while trying to disagree with it. I'd say perhaps you worded it a bit better than I did... but this is the same take that I have. Particularly among young people, the idea of gender fluidity is the ability for these kids to change something drastic (and perhaps "shocking") in their lives. This gives them a sense of control over their parents during a time when kids more readily want to express themselves and feel empowered against their parents (during the teenage years and early adulthood). This is a way for them to do this, and it's also accepted by well-meaning school administrators who don't quite understand the actual psychology behind it (they aren't transgender, they're just rebelling). I'm amazed that my daughter isn't one of these kids, because she has such an exceptionally strong personality and always fights to be independent. She has none of these problems, which I chalk up more to her being introspective than possibly any upbringing I've provided. But the vast majority (like almost 3/4ths) of her friends are transgender or "something else."

When I said "club" I meant that these kids are looking for a "clique" to join. Along with all the other things they're going through today... they have enormous pressures from social media that are completely unlike what we faced growing up. When we were younger (even though you're much older than I am), we compared ourselves with our peers, and perhaps our neighbors... or even the few people on the ~20+ television channels that are out there. For better or worse, that's what a lot of people do... even if they don't realize it. If you wear weird clothes to school, you're going to get made fun of, so you maybe adjust your wardrobe so you're more "in" with what's trending or what the kids are wearing. This is in a way, "keeping up with the Joneses."

Today, kids have an instant stream of millions of people who are all presenting their best self to society. Even my own daughter's YouTube channel where she shows people the car she's working on. No one sees the time where she loses her **** because she can't figure out her Trigonometry problems... or the emotional distress when she broke up with her boyfriend (not the current one she's dating). So there are people who will look at that and think... OMG, I must be stupid because I can't do these things and this 14 year old can. There are also people who will look at that and say, "look at this dirty uneducated garage rat."

But never the less... people only present their best self on social media, and for the billions of other people who watch it, they're constantly comparing themselves (whether they are aware of it or not) to the success of others. It's a whole new standard by which they feel they should reach. Even adults suffer from this. I have a friend who's just short of a genius, and he lies and exaggerates constantly about the things he's done because he feels insecure that what he's done isn't enough, even though by any measure of worth, he's already done way more than most people have (minus the exaggeration).


I can't point to WHY we have increased mental illness now... but it has become unbelievably exacerbated. In my uneducated opinion of this, I think it's a combination of the food, our modern exposures to social media, and the constant crisis-driven news cycle that... even if you don't watch the news, drives much of society.


ALL of that is to say that kids today are under enormous pressures to achieve greatness. When they don't, they rebel... and sometimes they question themselves. The very reason why there is an absurdly higher male-to-female transition has a lot more to do with the fact that young males tend to question themselves and go down a path of questioning their own sexuality because they're unable to get a date, or girls aren't attracted to them. You find that many male-to-female transitioners are not actually gay... as a matter of fact, they call themselves "lesbians" after they transition. I don't want to get too far into this, because I feel like you'll probably want to disagree because you think perhaps I'm being bigoted... but the point I'm trying to make is... we essentially agree that a lot of people find "solace" in transitioning because it's something they control, that they made the decision on. Over time, they end up feeding into the narrative (which is pushed hard on social media, even if well-intentioned), and they start believing it to be true, and go forward with the hormone therapy, etc. Not only that, there's a strong desire to celebrate and reward people who transition... so there's a "honeymoon" phase to all of this.

One thing you'll find among de-transitioners, is that they almost all suffer from mental illness... and they'll all tell you the same story. They were wrong, they were fooled, they were led to believe through pressure from their peers that they were actually trans. But at the end of the day, they made those decisions themselves...
cliffw OCT 16, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
The most interesting aspect of Wichita is that he exposes the flaws and fallacies in cliffw's and other forum members' thinking—or at least, in their commentaries.



In what way, ?


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Originally posted by rinselberg:
We have other forum members who habitually "drive past" the train wreck that is Wichita, without ever slowing down to remark on it.



Do you own a mirror ? The train wreck rinselberg britches whines and moans about his belief that Wichita's preferred contributions have nothing to do with the thread's creation. I am getting tired of hearing you crying. Your crying doesn't advance the thread's topic.

JazzMan used to do that. Britching, whining, moaning, and crying because a thread did not play out as he wished.
olejoedad OCT 16, 04:51 PM
'scuse me, but isn't that a thread about the differences between Judaism and Zionism?