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2.5
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MAY 26, 04:52 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Here's the thing. We could probably drastically reduce mass shootings, or at least school shootings like this one, by limiting access to guns.
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What would replace "shootings"?
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We shouldn't be so willing to give up our right to arm ourselves.
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Agree[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 05-26-2022).]
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Patrick
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MAY 26, 04:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
I do not, thus my responses, which you did not respond to.
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Oh, I responded... just not in the manner you were after.
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RWDPLZ
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MAY 26, 05:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Jake,
I agree with just about everything stated but, who isn't allowed to legally possess a firearm? Felons are not normally allowed, maybe others in different states. Our Constitution states no infringement and although I do realize there are folks out there that can't handle the responsibility of possessing a firearm, what is the justification to not allow them to the same rights we all have?
I've seen no reason this 18-year-old shouldn't have been allowed to buy/own a firearm, right up to the point he shot his grandmother. At least nothing has been reported. There may be a history that we're not aware of yet. Please don't take this (in anyway) of supporting this evil person but, I can't see punishing every other 18-year-old for the acts of a few evil doers by taking their right to possess a firearm away. Not that you have suggested that.
From what has been reported, the school had a policy of locked doors while in operation. Obviously, the doors were not secured. According to the TX DPS, there was no security officer present at the school when this occurred. Lots of bad information being spread. I'm sure there will be legal consequences to the school district for not following their own policy but, this all comes down to one very troubled teen who obviously lacked responsible adult supervision at several points in his life. I am interested to learn more about this teenager and hope we all learn something from that knowledge.
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If you've ever purchased a firearm, you're familiar with Form 4473 (the one submitted when performing the background check). The form contains a number of questions you're required to answer, and I'm reasonably certain he lied on one or more of these:
https://www.atf.gov/firearm...-form-53009/download
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e. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized
for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.
f. Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?
k. Are you an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States?
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We also know for certain he wasn't legally in possession of the pistol, you have to be 21 to purchase one.
Also for someone who just turned 18 and purchased the guns, he was highly effective with them, and familiar with their operation, AND had access to $5000 to purchase them. Something doesn't add up...
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Jake_Dragon
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MAY 26, 05:11 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theBDub:
Here's the thing. We could probably drastically reduce mass shootings, or at least school shootings like this one, by limiting access to guns.
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Agreed to the point, if there is a threat identified then by all means limit their access to guns. Not by banning guns but by policing and making people responsible.
How many times has there been red flags and they have been ignored. Protocols not followed? Absent parents?
Biden said they were all his kids, well that includes the broken ones. Perhaps start there.
They need to help these kids, who knows how many of these incidents could have been prevented if someone was just paying attention.
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williegoat
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MAY 26, 05:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
They need to help these kids, who knows how many of these incidents could have been prevented if someone was just paying attention. |
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This is a step in the right direction.
The gun grabbers are going down a dead end, literally. Fewer guns would stop some incidents and facilitate others. It is not the solution.
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blackrams
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MAY 26, 06:20 PM
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Well Patrick, while I'll agree you didn't attack America, you are attacking American values. The vast majority of us do value our Constitution and you have attacked our Constitution somewhat indirectly but attack you did. When the 2nd Amendment is attacked, most of us don't appreciate it very much, especially from an outsider. But, it's your opinion and nothing says you can't speak it loud and clear. Just don't be surprised when you get unflattering responses. 
Rams
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rinselberg
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MAY 26, 07:17 PM
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I just wanted to check in again, here. I haven't looked at any of what's been said since I checked out, back on Page Two.
Seems like the news media accounts are changing. About the perp, and about his first encounters with local police. Be that as it may, I think, at the end of the day (rhyme intended), I am still drawn to the idea of the Age21 Act, which would make 21 years the minimum age, across all 50 states, for anyone to legally purchase an AR-15 style, semiautomatic rifle.
In Texas, it's only 18. Perhaps there would be some exceptions, as there are in Florida's law, for law enforcement, corrections officers and military who are 18 or older, but not 21. But that's all very hypothetical, in terms of the political realities. Nevertheless, it represents my state of mind about it.
Before I last checked out, back on Page Two, I was chattering about the M14 rifle. But then, just a few minutes ago, it hit me. It's the M16 rifle that is the most singularly emblematic U.S.-issued military rifle of the Vietnam era. (Is it not?) And the verse that I was trying to remember was "The M16 is a marvelous gun..." Not the M14.
So, a correction, issued in the nick of time. Before the error was compounded any further. Whatever was I thinking.
Actually, when I tried to find that verse online, I started by zeroing in on U.S.-issued military rifles of the Vietnam era, and the first one I hit on was the M14.
That's how it happened.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-26-2022).]
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Patrick
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MAY 26, 07:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Well Patrick, while I'll agree you didn't attack America...
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Perhaps a small step in the right direction...
| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
...you are attacking American values.
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...and then a stumble. 
What are "American values"? I know for a fact that Americans are not one large homogenized population. "American values" will differ from person to person, family to family, income level to income level, etc. There are citizens of your country who are every bit as American as you or Willie or Todd who's values do not include firearms in any way, shape or form.
Okay, back to what I may or may not have done. Ron, help me out here. Did RWDPLZ "attack" your Constitution by posting what he did Here? No? Why not? He was posting rules and regulations... you know, limitations... on who can legally purchase a firearm. Isn't he another sonofabitch, just like that BDub dude?
I'm not going to bother quoting my entire first post from this thread again, but in the relevant part at the end of it, how have I attacked American values? Is it because I agree with the rules and regulations posted by RWDPLZ, and would like to see them enforced?
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
It's well past time to be addressing the elephant in the room... far too easy access to firearms in the US.
No, I'm not suggesting that your gun(s) be taken away... but damn, at least have the rules and regulations tightened up in regards to who can legally purchase them.
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick Here:
Despite never owning a firearm, I'm not against ownership of them, as some here have tried to imply over the years. Heck, I even posted about my experiences at the gun range Here.
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Someone please tell me... how have I "attacked" "American values"?[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 05-26-2022).]
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williegoat
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MAY 26, 07:26 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
My opening post was written in plain English. It's the only language I know. If you have a problem understanding anything in particular that I've stated, quote it and ask me about it. I'm not "rephrasing" everything I've posted. |
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Your post is predicated on a lie.
You ask: "Why are these school massacres only occurring in the US?"
These massacres do not happen only in the US. I posted plenty of proof of that.
Your libelous contention was intended to disparage my country. This is detestable.
You have insulted me and my fellow Americans.
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blackrams
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MAY 26, 07:33 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Okay, back to what I may or may not have done. Ron, help me out here.
Someone please tell me... how have I "attacked" "American values"?
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Patrick,
My intent was not to attack or insult you. Just gave you my opinion of what you did.
I'll only say this, I try to stay away from Canadian policies and values.
Rams 
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