GM to MrMike: cease & desist (Page 5/11)
Raydar NOV 05, 08:08 PM
Actually, I mis-spoke. It was F-I-E-R-O

Check out this thread.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...070315-1-056829.html
I'm still not sure if he cooked it up by himself, but he was selling all sorts of stuff with it attached.
At one point (2007?) I think he was even sending images to you. (You were mentioned in another thread.)
His name is Andrew, if that jogs your memory. You might have some old emails. (If you save stuff like I do.)
JimmyS NOV 05, 09:00 PM
What about the modified pegasus?
ericjon262 NOV 05, 10:15 PM
have you asked GM what they want($$) to allow you to use it? I've been surprised before when I requested quotes from places, it may not be as much as you would expect, and if someone has to have the emblem on their seats, they can pay the extra $$ to you and GM to make it happen. Me personally, not having an emblem on my seat isn't a big deal in any way.

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da.slyboy NOV 06, 02:37 AM

Oh no, everyone understands this, we just don’t like it. Copyrights are useful in protecting misuse or financial losses especially at a global scale. You can argue and cite things all day, but in the end GM is spending time and resources that they will never recover or even help protect their brand/image (cannot really protect an image that is abandoned). Mr. Mike is doing the right thing, I was pointing out removing the offer to add the logo from the website would solve most problems. Your “obtaining tips” has a high probability they just googled Mikes website after getting a tip, Anything more would be too much effort for them.


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Originally posted by theogre:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by da.slyboy: ]You and others have No Clue... In Very Short Version:

1. Copyright for most things is now nearly 100 Year thanks to Bono Copyright Act AKA Micky Mouse Protection Act.
2. Copyright, Trademark and Patent Owners must Protect them or often can lose the Rights in the US and other countries. GM et al or Firms contracted to do this work not only search the web themselves but get "tips" by others including License holders to Legally make/sell GM things like TFS.
3. DMCA and C&D "letters" from GM and others have completely shut down many sites including some PFF members selling key chains and other trinkets. FieroNews got one from Haynes to take down Haynes Fiero book and he took down GM FSM and other doc's too because only time to get letter from GM. Is just Luck MrMike hasn't got one way before this.
4. Once you get a DMCA or C&D notice, GM Legal Dept has already put a big target on the company and if try to bypass by just removing parts of web site but still making GM logo available on phone etc then GM will Sue You and run you out of business. So if anyone calls, E-mails, etc and ask to have any GM Ford or other logos on them... The answer is We No Longer Offer This. More now you posted this in public.

Even time you pay TFS, your paying GM License Fees too. That Fee often Starts @ Tens to Hundreds of Thousands of $ Per Year.
MrMike likely Could get a License but would have to hike the prices of everything to pay GM. If used Ford etc then have to pay each of those too. That why others shut down because only made Fiero logo key chains mugs etc and doesn't make enough to pay GM license fees too.

You want a real problem?
Here's one... Many people write whatever, Copyright them, Get ripped off by Big Media and find cost to sue them is way high and most lawyers want paid a lot of $ to even to start.
Because Big Media has an Army of Lawyers to crush or settle a suit often paying pennies and everyone signing NDA to keep your mouth shut.
Also Big Media wants all "Abandon" Copyright items in LoC to move to Pubic Domain [b]Before the time limit runs out to make easier to rip off stories and more authored by "poor people."
Jake_Dragon NOV 06, 01:34 PM
I use to belong to a lot of other hot rod forums.
There was one that got a cease and desist for pictures of cars. Because the forum was making money from members Ford decided that they could not use pictures of cars because they were trade marked and the images (not the pictures) belonged to Ford.
Not sure what was the end of it but I know they were removing pictures from the forum.

I like the idea of recycling patches, I wonder if they would consider that to be covered as well. Good luck with this I hope that it works out and you continue to make seat covers for the Fiero.
jmbishop NOV 06, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by MrMike:

Does anyone know where this design came from?
I have customers wanting it.
MrMike




Last I knew it was sold to someone in North Texas, I'll see if I can figure out who it was, I think we've exchanged messages.
jmbishop NOV 06, 01:43 PM
https://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bi...tbio&UserName=TXOPIE

TXOPIE said he bought it, if this is true, he still owns it or knows who he sold it to.
MrMike NOV 06, 04:56 PM
ah-ha, getting closer, is he still a member of Pennock's ? thx
hyperv6 NOV 06, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Raydar:

It is widely reported that it was drawn by PFF member F.I.E.R.O.

With that said, I'm not sure where he got it. It may have been discovered in an old filing cabinet at Pontiac, destined for a future release. Or not.
But the design, and the creation of the design, was widely posted here.
I'm quite sure that it has never been produced in an official capacity. I've never seen it attached to a car.




To my knowledge it was never from Pontiac. I have never seen this used in any way from GM.

Odds are someone drew it up in the public domain.

The early names were other ideas and then it went to Pegasus. That was killed late and went with Fiero.

I have the 2nd gen emblems and they are the same horse but in 3D form with raised design. Those date back to 1985 due to the date on the engineering drawing I have.
randye NOV 07, 03:32 AM
43 PAGES of Fiero registered trademarks.

Amazing how few of them belong to GM

Amazing how many of them are DEAD...including some that belonged to GM

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/....3.1&f=toc&p_toc=toc

It will probably say "Session Timed Out" so click on the little blue icon in the upper left corner, then on the link it goes to scroll down to:

Select A Search Option

* Basic Word Mark Search (New User) <------- click on this and then type in "Fiero" (without the quotes) in the box that says Search Term:

then click on Submit Query

[This message has been edited by randye (edited 11-07-2021).]