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| rbell2915's 1988 Formula 3800SC CJB #637 Worklog (Page 2/2) |
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longjonsilver
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AUG 04, 07:40 AM
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i replaced my horns with a pair from a full sized Olds from the same era (84's are wired for two horns). They were plug and play. Sounds a lot better ------------------ Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 3800SC, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
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rbell2915
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AUG 04, 07:15 PM
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Today my neighbor (he has the white Formula) went to the yard to grab some parts for his car and he grabbed me a V8 digital cruise module to replace my AR module. I swapped my mount and the throttle cable onto it, plugged it in, and it worked flawlessly. I'm extremely pleased finally having a Fiero with cruise control. I have decided that I am going to forgo installing a cruise light in the dash, I would if the module was still used in the stock location, but I am really not wanting to deal with running a wire from the digital cruise module all the way to the gauge cluster for a little tiny light.
Here are the links to the how-to's that I used, I combined them together for my installation:
Click on "Articles" and then find "Installing a digital cruise in the Fiero" by Oliver Scholz
I mainly used this one for the inspiration, getting the 4000ppm signal from the speedometer to the module without running another wire, wiring in the clutch release switch, and walking me through where everything was located.
I found out that my install wouldn't work because of the Formula taillight design, so I switched gears and went this route with instructions from Darth Fiero at GM Tuners:
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| quote | Originally posted by Darth Fiero here:
I have had some issues with some of the GM electromotive cruise control units (even those marked "AR") in Fiero swaps not wanting to engage at all. This is when they are NOT connected to the PCM on the cruise inhibit and status circuits.
I believe the problem is some of these cruise control modules want to see the cruise inhibit input change state at a certain speed (perhaps?) and that won't happen if you just ground that wire.
If you are using a manual transmission in your swap, the PCM may never ground the cruise inhibit wire to enable cruise operation because there is no electronic auto transmission present.
Since the discovery of this problem, I have been building my stockpile of 96-99 Cadillac Northstar cruise control modules (they look identical to the ones used on the 3800s; except the Cadillac ones are marked "V8"). Every single 96-99 Northstar cruise control module I've gotten from a Cadillac has worked fine without having the cruise inhibit and status wires hooked up to the PCM. All you'll need to do is permanently ground the cruise inhibit input to the cruise module.
Cables can be easily swapped out on these cruise modules so you can use any cable you need to match your throttle body.
-ryan
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To make this work I used the following: - V8 digital cruise module as Ryan said - Grand Prix throttle cable and mount - I bought my relay from Napa here
Once I had the parts, I used the instructions from both links and it was pretty easy to accomplish.
Finished product, I opted to route my throttle cable down and around the driver side of the engine bay, the throttle cable length was perfect:

Relay location, there was a mounting position right below the cruise module that was perfect:

I do need to figure something out with the throttle cable mount, because I have no idea what is going on with this and I needs to be cleaned up. The previous owner pointed it out to me that he wasn't too happy with it, neither am I, but it's working for now. Maybe next weekend I can find a suitable bracket to fix it. It looks like it was snapped or broken somehow:
 [This message has been edited by rbell2915 (edited 08-04-2025).]
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rbell2915
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AUG 09, 09:22 PM
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Went to the yard and grabbed a new throttle cable bracket. I see why zip ties were needed, the throttle cable doesn't fit in there perfectly. I was able to put the cruise cable in though and trimmed the throttle cable moment some and made it work with minimal zip ties.

This is the current interior. I took out the gauge cluster and did the temp gauge fix. I also replaced the trip stepper motor and hopefully it starts working again. I'm nearly done with the Sunbird boost gauge as well, I need to replace the battery and calibrate the tach to a V6 and hook it up to the ECU on Pin 25. Note that the Fiero tach needle is a little shorter on the mount than the Sunbird's so I couldn't swap them over. When the key is on start then I'll put the needles back on pointed at 0 and then I can proceed with calibration.

While everything is out, I'll also do my auto headlight module and replace the radio. I've already done everything needed for the trunk release, that'll be very nice to have.
I have replaced the passenger seat, I'll do the driver seat soon. I found out the clutch master cylinder is leaking, so I'll replace that and the clutch pedal at the same time and then do the seat. I think I'll need all the space I can get.
Finally, I have received my rubber glue in the mail. There are a few nicks and small tears in the T Top seal that I'll be repairing.
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rbell2915
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AUG 12, 06:15 PM
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Got the boost gauge working! Now I just need to put everything back together and take it for a spin. Fingers crossed the new trip stepper motor is working too.
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rbell2915
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SEP 14, 06:38 PM
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The Formula was off the road for awhile, I had to replace the clutch pedal, master cylinder, and slave cylinder.
Unfortunately, I think somehow I messed up the clutch cruise switch, the cruise control is not working anymore. I certainly have it plugged in correctly, but I don't know how far the switch is screwed into the mount. Anyone have any ideas or photos? Or maybe my stalk is bad or something. I was able to get it to work for a second and then it turned off. Any ideas would be great!
I've also installed my nicer GT seats and got the heated seats working, that's very nice. Trunk release install is completed as well.
Up next on the agenda is: - Window Felt Guides - Door lock actuators - Doors will be done and I can put them back together - Firebird Radio and Bluetooth module install - Subwoofer Install[This message has been edited by rbell2915 (edited 09-14-2025).]
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Frenchrafe
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SEP 15, 02:32 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rbell2915:
Went to the yard and grabbed a new throttle cable bracket. I see why zip ties were needed, the throttle cable doesn't fit in there perfectly. I was able to put the cruise cable in though and trimmed the throttle cable moment some and made it work with minimal zip ties. |
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Ain't nothing wrong with zip ties on the throttle cables! Been using them for years:
 ------------------ "Turbo Slug" - '87 Fiero GT. 3800 turbo. - The fastest Fiero in France! @turboslugfiero https://youtu.be/hUzOAeyWLfM[This message has been edited by Frenchrafe (edited 09-15-2025).]
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rbell2915
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SEP 15, 07:33 PM
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After doing some testing, I think the clutch cruise switch is bad, so hopefully getting a new one from the junkyard will fix the issue.
On the Sunbird boost gauge, I have it hooked up properly, but for some reason it will not go above 0 under boost like another gauge I have seen on YouTube. It will move all over the negative side of the gauge, but no matter how much boost I am getting, it will not rise above 0. Very strange.
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Frenchrafe
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SEP 16, 07:53 AM
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What is it reading from? A 1bar MAP sensor? You may need a 2bar MAP. (At least 1bar above atmospheric pressure.)
------------------ "Turbo Slug" - '87 Fiero GT. 3800 turbo. - The fastest Fiero in France! @turboslugfiero https://youtu.be/hUzOAeyWLfM
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rbell2915
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SEP 16, 09:32 AM
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Not sure, I just got the car and wired it in per the directions, I don't need why it wouldn't work. I am wondering if the boost needle accidentally moved a full rotation clockwise while I was doing the installation, it's a very easy needle to move. I did put it back at 0 and slightly moved it up and down and it returned to center so I thought it was fine, but maybe I was mistaken.
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