FWD HM282 - With Rodney’s conversion kit (Page 2/2)
fierosound MAY 17, 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by jscott1:

Where are these NOS 282s on eBAY?

EDIT - Nevermind found them



For others (but these have the QUAD4 bellhousing)
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW...-4-2-4L/362809755629

Also see:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum9/HTML/000038.html

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jscott1 MAY 17, 07:16 PM
Replacing the bellhousing looks non-trivial. As in you have to crack that case and do a bunch of internal stuff?
fierosound MAY 18, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by jscott1:

Replacing the bellhousing looks non-trivial. As in you have to crack that case and do a bunch of internal stuff?



Not a BUNCH of stuff - unless you're looking at mixing gear sets.
And no more work than if someone was doing a rebuild of their original anyway.
But you'd still have a new and stronger Getrag.

Fierobsessed seems to be extremely familiar with the Getrags.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...050410-2-057784.html
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...060206-2-064025.html
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...050818-1-049976.html

But I haven't seen a step-by-step "Quad 4 Getrag bellhousing swap" writeup.

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jscott1 MAY 18, 09:58 PM

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Originally posted by fierosound:


Not a BUNCH of stuff - unless you're looking at mixing gear sets.
And no more work than if someone was doing a rebuild of their original anyway.
But you'd still have a new and stronger Getrag.

(snip)

But I haven't seen a step-by-step "Quad 4 Getrag bellhousing swap" writeup.




Rebuilding a Getrag is far beyond my skill set but "bellhousing swap" sounds easier. But if it involves cracking the case I'm out. That would have to be done by somebody else, so at that point it's a toss up between the rebuild versus bellhousing swap. But from what I understand rebuild parts for the 282 are nearly extinct. So there's that.

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fierosound MAY 19, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by jscott1:

Rebuilding a Getrag is far beyond my skill set but "bellhousing swap" sounds easier. But if it involves cracking the case I'm out. That would have to be done by somebody else, so at that point it's a toss up between the rebuild versus bellhousing swap. But from what I understand rebuild parts for the 282 are nearly extinct. So there's that.




Same here. I had a new FWD Getrag (not Quad4) for my Indy but still wanted a bellhousing swap so it looked like a Fiero original.
Clutch arm would be outside of case, no adapter for slave needed, and only required Rodney's shifter brackets on top of the shift shaft.

I took the bellhousing off my old Fiero Getrag and took it with the new transmission to a shop. Trans already had correct gear to drive speedo unit.
They did the bellhousing swap and made sure the differential bearings clearances were right etc.
Charged 2 hours labor.

IF you can find the parts for a rebuild kit, you'll have that cost + the cost of a shop rebuild. Still ends up the same, if not more (more disassembly time).

Rebuild parts? http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/143818.html

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jscott1 MAY 21, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by fierosound:


Same here. I had a new FWD Getrag (not Quad4) for my Indy but still wanted a bellhousing swap so it looked like a Fiero original.
Clutch arm would be outside of case, no adapter for slave needed, and only required Rodney's shifter brackets on top of the shift shaft.

I took the bellhousing off my old Fiero Getrag and took it with the new transmission to a shop. Trans already had correct gear to drive speedo unit.
They did the bellhousing swap and made sure the differential bearings clearances were right etc.
Charged 2 hours labor.

IF you can find the parts for a rebuild kit, you'll have that cost + the cost of a shop rebuild. Still ends up the same, if not more (more disassembly time).

Rebuild parts? http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/143818.html






Since you understand this far better than me, just so I understand. If I carry my beat up old Fiero Getrag + a new quad 4 Getrag into a shop they should be able to marry the two for a couple of hours of labor? And would I need Rodney's parts to make it work still? What would be different in the end?
fierosound MAY 21, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by jscott1:

Since you understand this far better than me, just so I understand.
If I carry my beat up old Fiero Getrag + a new quad 4 Getrag into a shop they should be able to marry the two for a couple of hours of labor?
And would I need Rodney's parts to make it work still? What would be different in the end?



This is essentially what the original poster of this thread Backtothe80s did himself.
The reverse shift rod needs to be shortened on Quad4 Getrags.
He knows more than I do (I had a transmission shop swap the bellhousing and mine was a FWD Getrag).



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Originally posted by Backtothe80s:

So I decided to go with the FWD HM282 (my original Getrag was tired and very few people in Canada know about them and the parts were getting up there to rebuild) and swapped bell housings from the original Fiero Getrag. I also swapped the speedo gear, shimed the diff with the GM shim tool and GM shims, cut the reverse shift rod so the case would close and reassembled. All good to this point. I installed Rodney’s FWD conversion kit so I could hook up the factory cables.




Everything depends on your transmission shop. Ask them.
They may charge an hour just to take the old one apart, then 2-3 to do the swap to the new one.
If they don't know what they're doing it could take longer, or they could give up and give you back a box full of disassembled parts "no charge".

I separated my old Getrag case myself, so I only carried the Fiero's bellhousing in with the new FWD Getrag transmission.
I think my guy knew what he was doing and maybe had shortcuts on swapping it over. He did it in 2 hours.

My transmission had the correct speedo gear in it - you take out the VVS and look in the trans to see if they're the same.
Dickman has correct speedo gear if you need a new one. http://rodneydickman.com/pr....php?products_id=330

Once I had the Fiero bellhousing swapped over as pictured, all I needed was Dickman's Conversion Kit for the shift shaft.
Apparently, the arm of this needs slight modification with the Quad4 Getrag which started this discussion (see above).
http://rodneydickman.com/pr...o.php?products_id=58

The lower bracket holes need to be tapped.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum9/HTML/000038.html

Some people don't like the gearing of a the Quad4 Getrag.
See links to Fierobsessed threads posted earlier.

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jscott1 MAY 22, 01:58 AM

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Originally posted by fierosound:
Everything depends on your transmission shop. Ask them.
They may charge an hour just to take the old one apart, then 2-3 to do the swap to the new one.
If they don't know what they're doing it could take longer, or they could give up and give you back a box full of disassembled parts "no charge".





thanks... Just trying to imagine which is the best way to go. My luck I get a box full of parts "no charge"

fierosound MAY 22, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by jscott1:

thanks... Just trying to imagine which is the best way to go. My luck I get a box full of parts "no charge"



I think you just need a reputable shop that has done transaxles,
as opposed to a guy who's never seen one before but "is willing to give it a try".
But then any competent transmission guy with a manual should be able to do it.

Facebook FIERO Group has a files download section with manuals.
Join group and download Muncie_Getrag 5-speed.pdf
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2204429635/files/

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jscott1 MAY 22, 04:32 PM
Thanks! Didn't know about those documents. That's helpful.