Long overdue, IMO. I have low tolerance for bigotry, misogyny, and (now) libel. Stan claims that in the past he sustained a traumatic brain injury, and I believe that he is probably mentally ill as well; either might help explain his anti-social behavior, but neither excuses it. I truly hope Stan is able to receive (and accept) medical help, but it seems unlikely.
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
There are lots of people like Stan. They're just better at hiding it.
I have stated previously: I am probably less concerned about Stan than I am about the people here who applauded and cheered him on.
[This message has been edited by Marvin McInnis (edited 06-11-2014).]
Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: I have stated previously: I am probably less concerned about Stan than I am about the people here who applauded and cheered him on.
"Well, the Roman Coliseum would not have been the same without throwing the Christians to the lions or the Thursday gladiator fights. :
Meaning it seems to me the people here were watching Uhlanstans tirades just out of sheer curiosity, you know much like a train wreck.
Of course if Uhlanstan wrote this:
"Mary Jane I know you are a vet and a citizen of the USA, but I disagree with your viewpoint and I would like to discuss it with you on PFF..." just wouldn't have the "flavor" that we have come to expect from Uhlanstan.
and we wouldn't be filling the trash can on PFF with it either.
Actually, it does mean 213 different members posted a message yesterday. So there were probably between 500 - 1,000 new messages posted yesterday. On a sunday. About the 37 members, that means there were 37 members logged at that point in time. There are many more people not logged in.
Stan claims that in the past he sustained a traumatic brain injury, and I believe that he is probably mentally ill as well...but neither excuses it.
Both (or either) absolutely excuse his behaviour as both are things that he didn't bring on himself. Both are involuntary and both (or either) could very well affect how he thinks and what he types even if he's otherwise a very nice guy.
I gave him a + specifically because one or the other of those could very well be the issue. (If you re-read his posts, you can tell that he wasn't "all there" for whatever reason.) My beloved grandmother died with both Alzheimers and dementia. In her younger and "better" years, she and I were very close (she and my grandfather basically raised me). In her declining years, she said some things that were very "harsh". I know she didn't mean to say them and probably had no idea at the time that what she said was hurtful. I didn't stop loving my Grandma because she said what she did nor do I have any hard feelings for Stan because of what he's posted in case dementia, Alzheimers, a "traumatic brain injury" or mental illness is a factor. If he was just being a dick (like WD88 was), that would be different. Do you think he woke up one day and said, "Hmmm. I wonder what it would be like to have my melon tossed?"? Or maybe he thought, "I'd sure like to have schizophrenia today."? EVERYONE has their own issues including me. (I think they mention my name specifically on a few pages of the DSM5.) I have OCD, depression, ADD and the possibility of slight Aspergers (as well as quite a few others). Would you hate me because some or any of those manifested themselves on PFF? Maryjane (aka Don) seems to be a very strong guy. Since he knows he's not a traitor (I'm assuming), he can stand up for himself if he chooses. The fight (if there was to be one) should have been between him and Stan (with the help of Cliff if needed to delete the thread or drag it here in the trashcan).
Giving him a - to keep him from posting those sorts of rantings (as a last resort and because nothing else worked) is one thing. To give him a - just because you didn't like what he said AND KNOWING/THINKING THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE HIS FAULT is wrong. It's a little late but show some compassion.
Anyone who was aware of any mental defects or illness and STILL did their part in banning Stan should be ashamed of themselves. Again, show some compassion. If I have missed something, I apologize.
Marvin, you've always seemed to be a stand up, level headed guy. I hope you remain that way. FWIW, the only rating I've given in this entire thread was the + to Stan. I have not given any -s to anyone else.
I think people are too quick to judge. How does that saying go? Those who live in glass houses....? I'll get off my soapbox now and go count my new negatives.
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Stan had more than seven years here to spew his special brand of hatred. I don't care what his excuse was... enough is enough.
So, if you develop a mental illness or get in a car wreck and crack your melon, should we just give you the boot? Or should we try to find some other avenue? I was never offended by Stans posts (although I stopped reading most of them a while ago) but if you were truely offended, did you send him a PM asking what the problem was? Did you contact Cliff asking if there was anything he could do? Maybe a PM from Cliff to Stan and a short (temporary) ban would have helped.
Maybe there's nothing more wrong with Stan than hatred and a mixed up childhood. If so, good riddance. But, if you read his posts, he very obviously came across as having some deeper issues. Maybe the reason his hatred has a "special brand" is because of something beyond his control. I hope you wouldn't crucify someone for something they couldn't control.
So, if you develop a mental illness or get in a car wreck and crack your melon, should we just give you the boot? Or should we try to find some other avenue? I was never offended by Stans posts (although I stopped reading most of them a while ago) but if you were truely offended, did you send him a PM asking what the problem was? Did you contact Cliff asking if there was anything he could do? Maybe a PM from Cliff to Stan and a short (temporary) ban would have helped.
Maybe there's nothing more wrong with Stan than hatred and a mixed up childhood. If so, good riddance. But, if you read his posts, he very obviously came across as having some deeper issues. Maybe the reason his hatred has a "special brand" is because of something beyond his control. I hope you wouldn't crucify someone for something they couldn't control.
The rants from Stan may have been a result of personal issues (injury, mental disorder, whatever...) but in that case that would be a cause, not an excuse. Hatred to that level should not be tolerated.
So, if you develop a mental illness or get in a car wreck and crack your melon, should we just give you the boot? Or should we try to find some other avenue? I was never offended by Stans posts (although I stopped reading most of them a while ago) but if you were truely offended, did you send him a PM asking what the problem was? Did you contact Cliff asking if there was anything he could do? Maybe a PM from Cliff to Stan and a short (temporary) ban would have helped.
Maybe there's nothing more wrong with Stan than hatred and a mixed up childhood. If so, good riddance. But, if you read his posts, he very obviously came across as having some deeper issues. Maybe the reason his hatred has a "special brand" is because of something beyond his control. I hope you wouldn't crucify someone for something they couldn't control.
I'm pretty sure he was banned one time before and given a second chance, it was either him or whitedevil88 or both for all I know...
I'm pretty sure he was banned one time before and given a second chance, it was either him or whitedevil88 or both for all I know...
I don't know about banned but he has been put on probation and given a warning by Cliff. He toned it down for a little while then went right back to it a bit after the probation was lifted.
Does that count Monkeyman?
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This is my first foray into the trash can here, and I must say: WOW! On that one day of the year I feel the need for some drama... And I thought the OT was rough
This is my first foray into the trash can here, and I must say: WOW! On that one day of the year I feel the need for some drama... And I thought the OT was rough
lol this is nothing for the trash can , you should have been here a couple years ago for the lop sided chops thread I think it got so bad that cliff just shut it down... also being new I would be careful venturing into here. freedom of speech does not exist in here when it comes to the rating bar.
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The rants from Stan may have been a result of personal issues (injury, mental disorder, whatever...) but in that case that would be a cause, not an excuse. Hatred to that level should not be tolerated.
Cause, excuse, same difference if it was something beyond his control. It's like being mad at someone with MS for having poor handwriting. IF his rants were caused by something beyond his control, he shouldn't be hated for it. If he was just an a**hole, that's a different story. That was my point.
EVERYONE has their own issues including me. (I think they mention my name specifically on a few pages of the DSM5.) I have OCD, depression, ADD and the possibility of slight Aspergers (as well as quite a few others). Would you hate me because some or any of those manifested themselves on PFF?
Hmmm... that might explain "Monkeyman For President" back in what... 2000? I might be one of the few members still around to remember this snippet of early PFF history. At the time I felt you had gone completely overboard with that shtick. Yes, I personally got sick and tired of it in relatively short order. Did I "hate" you for it. No, I did not. Did I neg you for it (when the rating system was later instituted)? No, I did not. Your "Monkeyman For President" phase ran its course (maybe you changed your meds), and we all moved on. No one was harmed in the process, it was all in fun (although everyone has a different sense of humor).
Contrast that to the bile that Stan has been posting for years, over and over and over again. Yes, he could be funny at times... but he also had a side to him that was best kept to himself. But he refused to do so, even with repeated warnings. We don't need anyone here promoting open hatred of individuals and/or of select groups. There are plenty of questionable websites where Stan's twisted beliefs will be lapped up. He can post at those sites to his heart's content...
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Today unrelated to the direction the discussion has turned... I've only made, maybe, 4 posts in the last month or so and apparently the one I made in this thread was enough to get me negged, or at least nudged left a couple times. I've been perfectly neutral since last year.
I don't get up in the morning expecting to be an ******* to people... But it comes naturally so I also don't care.
................................................... On topic: Stan's PFF persona was that of an abusive douchecanoe who utilIzed his diagnosed instability as a shield from behind which he could safely spew his insults, hatred, and bigotry.
Saying it was something else is poorly excusing it if not damn near enabling such behavior.
I have a family member that does the exact same thing and we've had to call her out on it in the past. She uses alcohol (and a stroke 20 years ago) to thinly mask her xenophobia and general hatred of my mother, and as an extension myself. Family reunions were a frickin' blast. Haven't had anything to do with my grandmother in 4 years as a direct result.
Sure, you could argue there are a few wires crossed somewhere but I would say if someone is perfectly lucid the vast majority of the time, at least until one subject comes up or a glass of booze comes within visual range, they're being purposefully malicious.But I'm not a doctor, just someone with first hand experience and a decent talent for analysing people's behavior.
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The rants from Stan may have been a result of personal issues (injury, mental disorder, whatever...) but in that case that would be a cause, not an excuse. Hatred to that level should not be tolerated.
Yes, would not take that as an excuse for a mass murdering school shooter. The only thing that excuse is good for is for pity, but you still separate them from society, one way or another.
Glad he is gone and glad I could help. Had him negged long before this latest incident. He is an embarrassment to any and all groups he claims to associate himself with. He would have made a great SS officer.
Stan had more than seven years here to spew his special brand of hatred. I don't care what his excuse was... enough is enough.
There are two people on this forum that know Stan extremely well and they have never spoken up after his rants nor tried to explain to us that Stan "wasn't all there." If Stan had problems that should have been taken into consideration, they should have spoken up - but they didn't. And again, Stan was plenty lucid enough to type that stuff out ad-nauseum even after we pushed back in the strongest terms. At some point his mental state became a superfluous point since it was right there in his rants.
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Definitely NOT defending uhlanstan but how do we know that was his post? Maybe he got hacked or something? I thought his normal rants were mostly unintelligible. His post usually read like English was his third language and Greek was his first. Also, I thought people posted more than once on a subject before they get the Axe.
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lol this is nothing for the trash can , you should have been here a couple years ago for the lop sided chops thread I think it got so bad that cliff just shut it down... also being new I would be careful venturing into here. freedom of speech does not exist in here when it comes to the rating bar.
Yeah, people went on a campaign to ban anyone who who wasn't a Archie fan posting in the thread. And what was it over? Multiple people had seen a chopped fiero in person and it looked a little off, it may have just been a optical illusion or it may have been off but inquiring about it set off a few crazies and the hate went on in that thread until cliff finally closed it.
The ratings bar is great but it's what keeps these threads going, this one was short because the ban came quickly but when the campaign to ban someone is slow and doesn't have enough supporters it could go on forever, I'm sure that thread would still be alive and people who have now left the forum would still be here campaghning to get myself and a few others banned.
So there were probably between 500 - 1,000 new messages posted yesterday. On a sunday. About the 37 members, that means there were 37 members logged at that point in time. There are many more people not logged in.
