Surely there's a named study or 2 about the results of labeling & persecuting groups/people with derogatory labels like racist, sexist, anti-semitic, racist, communist, etc.?
A personal observance has been specific to people labeled by the mega-rich 'non-profit' orgs. This recently included Christian groups.
What I've learned is once those people have been labeled, censored and shouted down they have no reason to fear the 3rd rails. They no longer self-censor to appease the mainstream narrative of what they read and investigate. BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY LOST SO MUCH, so they start looking into the taboo topics to see what other lies they've learned to believe through propaganda. I've learned a lot of history (and some of their BS too) by giving people the time to explain what they've learned by having looked behind doors we're told are forbidden.
The fact that Big Tech and Big Banking are now persecuting people for thought crime reveals that there is a larger hand guiding this current climate.
Surely there's a named study or 2 about the results of labeling & persecuting groups/people with derogatory labels like racist, sexist, anti-semitic, racist, communist, etc.?
A personal observance has been specific to people labeled by the mega-rich 'non-profit' orgs. This recently included Christian groups.
What I've learned is once those people have been labeled, censored and shouted down they have no reason to fear the 3rd rails. They no longer self-censor to appease the mainstream narrative of what they read and investigate. BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY LOST SO MUCH, so they start looking into the taboo topics to see what other lies they've learned to believe through propaganda. I've learned a lot of history (and some of their BS too) by giving people the time to explain what they've learned by having looked behind doors we're told are forbidden.
The fact that Big Tech and Big Banking are now persecuting people for thought crime reveals that there is a larger hand guiding this current climate.
The Rules:
"Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have." "Never go outside the expertise of your people." "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy." "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage." "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." "Keep the pressure on." "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself. " "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counter-side; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative." "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. "
"Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have." "Never go outside the expertise of your people." "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy." "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage." "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." "Keep the pressure on." "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself. " "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counter-side; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative." "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. "
If you react to name-calling in the way we were all programmed to since childhood, you are automatically in denial/defensive mode trying to prove yourself innocent and have given them the upper hand.
Treat it like an ambush and instantly go on the offensive.
It's actually rather comical the way the term "leftist" is endlessly thrown around in this very forum. Like what, it's supposed to elicit some sort of angry response?
At least in the old days, long gone (and far gone) members such as Stan would come out with... "left wing commie pinko pantywaist boys".
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It's actually rather comical the way the term "leftest" is endlessly thrown around in this very forum. Like what, it's supposed to elicit some sort of angry response?
At least in the old days, long gone (and far gone) members such as Stan would come out with... "left wing commie pinko pantywaist boys".
Being totally frank here... when people use the term leftist, it may have a negative connotation, but it's not intentionally meant as an insult any more than we are simply describing a group of people that we vehemently disagree with. There are people who are left-leaning, Democrats, etc... people who are left of center if you will. And then there are people who are leftists, e.g., people who believe there are more than 2+ genders (let alone 67 of them), people who believe in normalizing pedophilia, people who are REALLY interested and excitedly support abortion above and beyond perhaps a view that it's horrible but they reluctantly support it... people like that, we call "leftists."
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So in other words, ANYONE who doesn't walk lock-step with a certain group of individuals in O/T is labeled a "leftist". Got it.
If you prefer 'woke', we can do that to. You know, for those who label every Canadian trucker, farmer and for all the people that value their contribution to society as racist terrorist waving swastika flags and honking horns means Heil Hitler.
'Woke' is a fine badge of honor for you.
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If you prefer 'woke', we can do that to. You know, for those who label every Canadian trucker, farmer and for all the people that value their contribution to society as racist terrorist waving swastika flags and honking horns means Heil Hitler.
'Woke' is a fine badge of honor for you.
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So in other words, ANYONE who doesn't walk lock-step with a certain group of individuals in O/T is labeled a "leftist". Got it.
No, that's not what I said, I said:
"e.g., people who believe there are more than 2+ genders (let alone 67 of them), people who believe in normalizing pedophilia, people who are REALLY interested and excitedly support abortion above and beyond perhaps a view that it's horrible but they reluctantly support it..."
The approach of a leftist is to disrupt and behave badly by personally attacking people to try to drive them away if they can't convince them to give in to the moral and intellecrual corruption of leftist beliefs.
It's actually rather comical the way the term "leftist" is endlessly thrown around in this very forum. Like what, it's supposed to elicit some sort of angry response?
I wouldnt say that. Words do mean things though and are not hard to look up. Or one could ask what specifically is meant in an instance.
Originally posted by sourmash: The approach of a leftist is to disrupt and behave badly by personally attacking people to try to drive them away if they can't convince them to give in to the moral and intellectual corruption of leftist beliefs.
That describes some leftists, for sure. But it also describes about as many people that are clearly not leftists. It describes about as many people who continually rage against what they call "leftists" and "leftism" until they're blue in the face. Irreversibly blue in the face.
In fact, this "dig" at leftists (from sourmash) is exactly what is seen in the veritable firehose of reckless insult and hubris that streams endlessly from the mouths of certain shameless malefactors that costume themselves as "conservatives."
File that statement (from sourmash) under "B" for "Bogosity."
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Originally posted by rinselberg: people who continually rage against what they call "leftists" and "leftism" until they're blue in the face. Irreversibly blue in the face.
Whatever it takes
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In fact, this "dig" at leftists (from sourmash) is exactly what is seen in the veritable firehose of reckless insult and hubris that streams endlessly from the mouths of certain shameless malefactors that costume themselves as "conservatives."
Unveiling and exposing a philosophy, an ideology, a culture, or actions that are disgusting, do not work, that undermine individual freedom, undermine foundational principles, and infact are what they claim to be against... is something that should be done. Anyone who doesnt is easily a useful tool to be used by would be tyrants. Yes I understand people like that do exist. People who won't realize what is happening even when they eventually are lined up and exterminated by the law of their creation, or starved out of their homes. As do people who willfully support those cultures of garbage. People who will not learn from history.
Originally posted by sourmash: The approach of a leftist is to disrupt and behave badly by personally attacking people to try to drive them away if they can't convince them to give in to the moral and intellectual corruption of leftist beliefs.
Unveiling and exposing a philosophy, an ideology, a culture, or actions that are disgusting, do not work, that undermine individual freedom, undermine foundational principles, and infact are what they claim to be against... is not personally attacking.
LEFTISTS don't like being called LEFTISTS.....imagine that.
No, anyone who doesn't have your myopic view of the world is labelled a "leftist" here. And yeah, it's really upsetting... can't ya tell?
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Originally posted by Patrick:
It's actually rather comical the way the term "leftist" is endlessly thrown around in this very forum. Like what, it's supposed to elicit some sort of angry response?
At least in the old days, long gone (and far gone) members such as Stan would come out with... "left wing commie pinko pantywaist boys".
Stan was a nutbar, but at least he was funny (at times).
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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: We did try the term "****ing Wackjob", but apparently that is socially unacceptable, so had to settle on "Leftist"
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The approach of a leftist is to disrupt and behave badly by personally attacking people to try to drive them away if they can't convince them to give in to the moral and intellecrual intellectual corruption of leftist beliefs.
Sorry, that's not a "leftist" tactic. That approach tactic is seen coming from those who claim to be on the other side of the aisle also. Oh, I also fixed the spelling error. Feel free to fix any I make. I do the same thing from time to time.
People with no intellectual or a false moral high ground snipe at others with pettiness, like name calling, grammar and spelling sneers. They have no defense so they try to deflect and ridicule. It falls under the same things I already outlined. If names don't work they try it from a diff angle.
I see the people who claim to be things that they aren't. I see the people who try to hide who they really are as a tactic to fool others into supporting them.
But who they really are comes out fairly easily. The support they find is only from others who have been exposed. Edit insertion: and occassionally from nastier lefties who arent trying to hide. And together they (the hiding lefties) drift left to their natural position, because they're angered at being exposed.
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People with no intellectual or a false moral high ground snipe at others with pettiness, like name calling, grammar and spelling sneers. They have no defense so they try to deflect and ridicule. It falls under the same things I already outlined. If names don't work they try it from a diff angle.
I see the people who claim to be things that they aren't. I see the people who try to hide who they really are as a tactic to fool others into supporting them.
But who they really are comes out fairly easily. The support they find is only from others who have been exposed. Edit insertion: and occassionally from nastier lefties who arent trying to hide. And together they (the hiding lefties) drift left to their natural position, because they're angered at being exposed.
Gotcha, that made me smile, thanks I needed that. Thanks for proving my point.
Rams
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Originally posted by blackrams: Sorry, that's [what sourmash was describing] not a "leftist" tactic. That approach tactic(or tactic) is seen coming from those who claim to be on the other side of the aisle also. Oh, I also fixed the spelling error. Feel free to fix any I make. I do the same thing from time to time.
FTFY
I couldn't agree more with blackrams on this.
To reference or describe the expressions and deeds of all kinds of groups and individuals, that are seen in just about any context or circumstance, and say that's a characteristic or hallmark of the "Left", is a canard. It's absurd. That's what sourmash has done here. He's "canard'ing."
And there's another forum member at the table (so to speak) who seldom says anything on this forum that doesn't include some version of this same ridiculous canard. It would be dead accurate to say, of that particular forum member, that's his "calling ca(na)rd." His endless baloney about the "Left".
See what I just did there?
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The right doesn't pretend to have leftist moral superiority like the leftist pretends to be a right winger (in most all cases). The true right ridicules the ideology by logic, and will ridicule the person for trying to smear a poop covering to look like chocolate cake icing.
For those who think logically, it's obvious that there is no cake being presented. We see the poop. The leftist is personally offended that a hatedul person wouldn't pretend that it could be cake since it's cake shaped and being called 'cake'.
Rules for Radicals is the leftist hand book. What I detailed comes from the leftist guide book on the politics of personal attack. How to defeat the opposition without having to present a winning opinion.
Originally posted by sourmash: Gee, who's that agreeing with blackrams? . . .
You're giving that other forum member (the one that I just singled out, without using his screen name) some top notch competition in the race for Olympic gold, in the Boredom Inducing event.
I went looking for my "file photo" of a man yawning. It's a "gif". I couldn't find it. I'm sure it's there. I often find that when I review the images that I've saved on imgur(.com) it's hard to spot the image that I want to retrieve. Of course, I have quite a number of them.
You're drowning in abstractions; in an empty word salad of your own making.
Did you just describe blackrams (a few messages back) as "left of center"..? Where you said his "point" was "left of center"..?
The only way that blackrams is "left of center" (in a political or cultural context) is if the Multiverse speculations of certain cosmologists are reality, and there's some other universe with some other "blackrams" on some other online messaging board.
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