Alcohol and marijuana shops are open in Washington State. You cannot go into a forest, but there is no issue with crossing paths with hundreds of people at Walmart?
“The real problem is that when human societies lose their freedom, it’s not usually because tyrants have taken it away. It’s usually because people willingly surrender their freedom in return for protection against some external threat. And the threat is usually a real threat but usually exaggerated. That’s what I fear we are seeing now. The pressure on politicians has come from the public. They want action. They don’t pause to ask whether the action will work. They don’t ask themselves whether the cost will be worth paying. They want action anyway. And anyone who has studied history will recognize here the classic symptoms of collective hysteria.” ~ Lord Jonathan Sumption
Except, the # of Covid-19 deaths are cumulative to every other death...they have to be added TO a regular flu season's fatalities. In the US, as of midnight Apr 5, that's 9,620 more/extra/additional people that died in addition to the 24,000 that have died (estimated) from the flu season as of the week ending March 28, 2020, as reportedby CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
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162 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. This number is higher than recorded at the same time in every season since reporting began in 2004-05, except for the 2009 pandemic. CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu.
That means that this year, in the approx 68 days since Jan 29th when the 1st US Covid-19 patient presented, the covid deaths = more than 1/3 the total of 5 months of flu deaths.
Now I realize a lot of people don't care. They miss their daily lives, their work schedules are interrupted, they couldn't go on springbreak and get drunk, the whole grocery thing, and their portfolios (like mine) is way down, but that's 9600 lives so far. Someone's parents, brothers, sisters, grandparents,neighbors. These are real people..or were. Easy for some I suppose to blow 'em off and even put a price tag or value on them. Hell, we don't know them...just nameless faceless Americans that are causing us some discomfort in our otherwise insignificant little lives.
Meanwhile, China and the rest of Asia is going back to business as usual, because they understand that this isn't really a huge deal. Yeah, there is some attention needed, the medical community will have their hands full for awhile, but we can handle this. Nothing will be overrun, other than GD toilet paper.
Think it will re-emerge in Asia 2 weeks from 3/28?
Those people in line standing right next to each other are brain-dead. Why do they think the number of people allowed in the store is being limited? The large supermarket I go to once a week has also instituted this policy. Everyone, and mean everyone keeps their distance from each other. It's the new "normal". People here are taking social distancing seriously.
This was exactly my thought as well. I understand limiting the number of people in the store, controlling the entrances and exits (so people get anti-bacterial at the entrance, and a cleaned cart, etc...). But this was silly... there were 40 people, all directly right next to each other. It really just took a situation that was supposed to make things better, and ended up making it worse.
China is working again because the government completely closed an entire province for months, closed every business except food for 2 months, closed all schools, and stopped all foreigners from traveling here. In addition every person outside their home is tested for fever several times a day. I still avoid anyone without a mask. If you have a fever you are going to the hospital without question.
The signs say something about fighting the virus together.
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That is directly on the shoulders of the CDC and FDA in the US imho. I don't know why Canada doesn't have test kits available. As soon as the gov got out of the way:
Abbott has received emergency use authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the fastest available molecular point-of-care test for the detection of novel coronavirus (COVID-19), delivering positive results in as little as five minutes and negative results in 13 minutes.
I don't know why Canada doesn't have test kits available.
Each province in Canada is responsible for their own medical regulations, but here in BC it's been stated that the limited number of available COVID-19 test kits are being reserved for use on people who are already exhibiting symptoms. Sure, that makes sense to some degree... buy why is there still a shortage of these test kits? It's not like we didn't know this was coming months ago.
Each province in Canada is responsible for their own medical regulations, but here in BC it's been stated that the limited number of available COVID-19 test kits are being reserved for use on people who are already exhibiting symptoms. Sure, that makes sense to some degree... buy why is there still a shortage of these test kits? It's not like we didn't know this was coming months ago.
You know the answer to that as well as anyone Patrick. Too many people thought "it won't happen here because it never has happened here before" and of course, a lot blew it off as "It's just the flu"..some morons still are of that mindset. Everyday people and people in govt too.
Originally posted by Tony Kania: At least two days now this is news, but our Plastic Media speaks little of this.
But YOU got the "inside scoop"...
Late-Breaking Bulletin: The senseless degree of self-inflation you show of yourself is only marginally surpassed by the self-delusionary echo of your own mind slamming shut on your dumb azz.
Late-Breaking Bulletin: The senseless degree of self-inflation you show of yourself is only marginally surpassed by the self-delusionary echo of your own mind slamming shut on your dumb azz.
Lol.
You are a druggie.
Lol.
Nice to have you here. Be safe
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And at the risk of offending some of you, i'm gonna post this:
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No, Mr. Boomer, We’ve Run Out of God Pills...
Authored by Tom Luongo via Gold, Goats, 'Guns blog,
Consider this an open message to The Davos Crowd.
I can see you using the pandemic of COVID-19 to run the table on holding onto power while your institutions fail.
It is obvious that by either design or acting opportunistically this pandemic has become your casus belli on us, to usher in a new world based on total surveillance, total compliance and control.
You’ve used fear over a bug to induce mass hysteria at a level that is difficult to contain. After more than two generations of marginalizing the masculine and amplifying the feminine the Progressive deification of trained experts which you turned into ‘believe all women’ to push identity politics has reached its zenith.
This has now reverted back into ‘believe all smart people’ in the minds of your useful idiots who retweet exponential growth curves they don’t understand and take as gospel truth your antipathy to curing this virus.
Thanks to this mass induced insanity we have a society that is uncomfortable with the risk of living thanks to a Nanny State that is more Oedipal Mother than the usual Abusive Father.
But this is more than just risk aversion. It’s truly a pathological fear of risk and the consequences of poor decisions; high time-preference decisions that permeate every aspect of our Western society.
Because we’ve been conditioned by you to believe there’s always another bubble to be blown up. There’s always another credit-induced boom around the corner. Housing prices can’t go down. Our jobs will come back and there will always be enough food.
But that myth of the magic money tree can’t bargain with a random piece of foreign DNA. The threat to our biology can’t be fought with more fake money.
But we still cling to your mass delusion that we live in a post-scarcity age that’s endemic across the generations. Even the angry and bitter Gen-Xers aren’t quite ready for what the world looks like without access to nearly unlimited credit.
And it has created the false sense of security that we as a species have mastered risk.
But we haven’t. You’ve mastered the art of laying off that risk for another day, another week, another year and called it prosperity.
And because we all want to believe we’re smarter than average bear and don’t want to face tomorrow without our favorite things we go along with the comfortable lie.
In other words, we believe risk is someone else’s problem. And that we owe the debts to ourselves. And it’s okay to foist risk off on those hapless suckers lest we be inconvenienced by the barest minimum of privation.
Let’s call that, in the words of a friend of mine, Spiritual Boomerism.
It’s so insane that our financial system is built on pricing debt instruments based on the dubious concept of R* equaling zero. What is R*? It’s the ‘default risk premium’ used to ‘price’ financial assets.
Only supremely arrogant people who believe they have conquered time, can believe there are such things as risk-free anything.
But it’s clear that into this riskless world you’ve steered us into thinking exists we’re being over-stimulated to believe in the potential risk from COVID-19 to push for changes to our society that benefit you far more then us.
But I thought we mastered risk. You told us so.
And that’s the dirty little secret isn’t it? The truth is that you’re the ones that can’t handle risk. You’ve never actually risked anything, preferring instead to create an endless series of one-way trades where no matter who loses, you win.
You love your power and pelf. You believe you are the wise, all-seeing parents, guiding their wayward children to a better world, your Utopia.
The riskless systems you’ve deluded us into building for your benefit over-invested in the wrong kinds of insurance; social safety nets that are now overwhelmed to the breaking point and are soon to be revealed as just another failed bribe.
While the kinds we need, medical infrastructure, don’t have a dime’s worth of spare capacity when risk actually rears its ugly head, because you extracted that out in all your laying off the risk.
From the beginning, the threat from COVID-19 wasn’t about the virus itself but about its added strain to already over-strained medical systems. These are the mismanaged and malinvested systems of either full-on state control like in your paragon of Europe or Byzantine regulatory strata designed to eliminate competition and drive up pricing known here as Obamacare.
And now you’re going to use your own failures to scare us into accepting the worst kinds of intrusions into our lives. You’re going to lock out dissidents who refuse to get a medical passport and Bill Gates’ ID2020 chip.
It’s like all of a sudden Gates has emerged as the high priest of Spiritual Boomerism. We need this as the first stage of preparation for the next virus coming our way.
Because, you know, risk.
We’ve gone from a fairly normal world to an episode of Black Mirror in a month. And in your unbelievable hubris you think we’re all going to just go along with it because of a ****ing cold and a four-year old TED Talk?
Do you really think we’ve become such ball-less eunuchs to think that this worship of blue-check marked, official smart people is the key to humanity’s future in dealing with the risks of being alive?
Because we can see you crapping your pants on TV, by the way. That is, when we decide to tune in for a few minutes to see if you’re still there.
But looking at the numbers it’s clear we’re not watching your doom **** anymore and we’ve got a whole lot more time on our hands to wonder why in the hell we spend 70 hours a week on a hamster wheel to pay the most onerous taxes in human history for a few leftover slips of green paper you treat worse than people treated toilet paper before the Coronapocalypse.
Faith in government is failing at every level. The continued false thesis that China’s death toll is only around 4000 people because they locked everyone down is meant to be the antithesis to the U.S.’s less top-down approach where now the death toll in New York alone is more than three times those that died on 9/11.
And the synthesis in your inaccurate Straussian model of our behavior is us accepting free movement as long as we can show our proper papers?
Um, how about no?
We can see you prepping the ground for this. This is the deplatforming of Alex Jones taken to its logical conclusion. If we aren’t willing to submit to complete monitoring and tracking of all of our movements then we cannot be a member of your society.
I can see why Donald Trump is fighting this they way he is. He’s started a new Cold War with China because he realizes it’s a major front in his, to date, mostly defensive war against you.
I think he understands that the real fight is between your quislings in the DNC and across the European Union trying to export China’s dystopian world and retaining some semblance of the nation-state. And this full court press for global government in the name of stopping a disease is ludicrous.
Because when you step back from those growth curves and put down the crack pipe full of noradrenaline if we hadn’t named it, if you hadn’t instructed the media to create mass hysteria most people in the world would just see it as another really bad flu season.
Because that’s the reality of the numbers at this point.
And had your financial markets not crapped the bed, you would be lying to us still about the severity of this virus.
So issue your diktats all you want. Push for your post-COVID Utopia of driverless cars, bug burgers, biometric conduct codes and rights-denying vaccination profiles.
Go for it. Honestly, we aren’t listening anymore. You lost your cache with us because your first instinct in any crisis is to lie to us. And now we don’t believe you about frankly anything.
Because after decades of lying to us about everything we’re asking the simple question, “Why would you be telling us the truth now?”
When someone as mild-mannered as Scott Adams is now talking functional anarchy to his millions of followers, you have a real problem.
Scott Adams ✔ @ScottAdamsSays "In about a week, if the government hasn't given us a credible #coronavirus back-to-work plan, we need to make our own schedule with our own criteria. My patience for obeying a government that refuses to inform us of the basics (healthcare supply and demand) is nearing an end."
That’s the voice of the normies talking, not some cis hard-right, racist, libertarian, Nazi, nationalist climate denier.
So, you’d better start wondering just how many button pushers you actually have to shock us back into the bread line.
But you already know in your hearts there aren’t enough.
And make no mistake, no matter how powerful you think your databases are we will never thank you for handing us back the bread you stole from us. They are not your magic God Pills. They are simply second rate Viagra bought from a liquor store in a now-destitute Mexican resort town.
I really don’t think you understand just how much anger there is out there or you wouldn’t be playing this card now. And I’m not talking in Flyover Country but in your backyards.
So, if you are as smart as you think you’ll realize it’s over. We’re taking the piss out of Spiritual Boomerism and assuming some risk.
Armed with a concierge health care provider, some hydroxychloroquine, a $5 Z-pack, and some red meat, we’ll brave the Coronapocalypse and get back to rebuilding our communities you so desperately want to destroy.
And I know what scares you the most, that we’ll actually prefer that to being coddled back into the amniotic sack of the magic money tree and all the fake protection it buys.
We’ve already won and this world no longer belongs to you. Because failure here is the end of you.
This is what real resistance looks like. And no amount of sending out the bot army to scream “Flatten the Curve” will stop that.
This is what you won’t stop. We’re not going to pick up guns and give you a reason to kill us. We’re not even going to raise our voices. We’re simply going to stop bothering to listen to a thing you say.
Consider yourself warned.
Cmon Tom, tell us what you really think!
------------------ Astronomy says we will find a coded signal from outer space. Then we'll KNOW that life exists there, for coded signals aren't by chance.
Biology says there are coded genetic signals in every cell, but we KNOW that no intelligence created life.
I'm the original owner of a white ' 84 2M4 purchased Dec 10, 1983 from Pontiac. Always garaged, no rust, 4-wheel drifts are fun!
China is working again because the government completely closed an entire province for months, closed every business except food for 2 months, closed all schools, and stopped all foreigners from traveling here. In addition every person outside their home is tested for fever several times a day. I still avoid anyone without a mask. If you have a fever you are going to the hospital without question.
I call that big talk for a bunch of loonies sitting safely behind keyboards in their mommy's basements.
It was a bunch of ass-gas from a perpetual loser and lunatic that ran for the Florida House of Representatives back in 2002 and got 2.5% of the vote in his Gainesville district.
He's another CONSPIRACY THEORIST that believes that his fantasies and delusions are somehow "critical thinking".
He is also just the kind of slobbering moron that we have now come to expect being offered up by the OP
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I don't want to find out, for sure. I know which hospital I will go to if I show symptoms assuming my symptoms show while in my apartment. If I am at work then it's wherever. The thought of being stuck in some low rent gov run hospital is not comforting.
You lefties think WE live a certain way, when in fact WE live the way WE choose to live, not what you imagine.
"You lefties" are probably anyone who does not kowtow to the proclamations of Tony Kania... but who exactly are the "WE" that you appear to be so adamant about?
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That article is way more indicative of an extreme far right rant than anything on the left. I mean so far to the right, it appears he sees President Trump as a liberal. Probably views himself as libertarian tho or 'independent'.
"You lefties" are probably anyone who does not kowtow to the proclamations of Tony Kania... but who exactly are the "WE" that you appear to be so adamant about?
No, you lefties meant exactly what I wrote. If you do not understand something, I am not the one to teach your liberal mind Patrick. You should look elsewhere for your answers. We both know where this leads.
I don't want to find out, for sure. I know which hospital I will go to if I show symptoms assuming my symptoms show while in my apartment. If I am at work then it's wherever. The thought of being stuck in some low rent gov run hospital is not comforting.
I'm sure its been said many times. But be safe out there
It is my opinion that the 6' distance rule is just an attempt to do something,...anything simple to slow the spread of infection. That being said, my rule of thumb is distance equals safety AND if you can smell the person's breath or cologne, you are to close.
Don't worry it will be mostly trumpers that watch Fox that will die from covid-19. Make sure your next of kin know where the title is to your Fiero.
This is something I've witnessed in the past few weeks. Most of my friends, family, etc., are hard-core Democrats. Most of them are on the Bernie Sanders side of things, for that matter. I've heard this kind of rhetoric from many of them, talking (with glee) about how they hope Republicans are going to die from it, or how they hope President Trump and Pence get it... this kind of stuff. Really horrible stuff.
I've yet to see a single Republican say anything of the sort about Democrats. I spend at least an hour on Twitter, which I know I should not. My echo-chamber on Twitter is almost exclusively Republicans, and some hard-core Republicans. Not once have I seen anyone say... "I hope Maxine Waters gets COVID" or... "Don't worry, only Democrats will die... etc..."
I've come to learn over the years that most Democrats make their decisions purely on emotion. As such, I understand that you're comments are without basis, and you 're simply acting out. But you should consider what you say, and how it represents you as a person. Half the country is Republican, these are your friends, family, neighbors, etc. This isn't the kind of person you want to be.
The large supermarket I go to once a week has also instituted this policy. Everyone, and mean everyone keeps their distance from each other. It's the new "normal". People here are taking social distancing seriously.
No wonder she's travelling alone... and no, it's not because she's practicing social distancing! 
