Trump skips the Veterans Day tribute that every other president went to. Apparently the weather was too bad for him, even though it was fine for his chief of staff. Also, he golfs in the rain, but apparently paying respects to our fallen soldiers is too much in the rain.
To the deflection comment. You asked zero question. I made a comment about your post and said that there were several reasons he didnt go. I asked a simple question and would still like it to be answered without deflection.
Golfing in the rain is different when the entire grounds of the golf course is much more easily controlled security wise than a ceremony with multiple people unknown to secret service.
Judging from your posts Obama was to your liking unlike Trump is. Obama missed the ceremony in 2010 to go to Chicago. George H. W. Bush missed all of them. His son missed some. It happens presidents are busy. I dislike Obama but I would not hold this against him.
Also explain your side of how I deflected or even what I deflected. I would like to have an un hate filled conversation. I have never to my knowledge had an interaction with you on pennocks nor in the physical world. I was hoping to see a liberals ideas calmly because you are clearly out numbered on this site politically and had no intentions in trapping you or creating conflict.
Threeblindmice is incapable of independent thought. If he cannot find the answer to a question within the leftist talking points, he will ignore it. He has thus far been unable to provide a cogent response to this question: Do you denounce antifa? Are their core values contrary to yours?, which I aked three days ago, here.
Threeblindmice is either intentionally misleading or (as usual, because he will not extend the effort) uninformed. Trump is in France to mark the 100 year anniversary of the end of WWI. He was prevented from taking a trip to a cemetery near Paris because of safety concerns.
Would losing an aircraft and its occupants be worth the trip to that ceremony? Wouldn't it be reckless if they decided to toss out their training and mission guidelines and pushed for the sortie anyway? The point being here is that if the mission was canceled by those who execute the presidential airlift mission day-in and day-out around the globe, that's called doing their job and keeping their crews and passengers safe, not chickening out. Above all else, it's not a political decision, it's a safety decision. And yes, there are different rules for a major emergency, such as a continuity of government situation, than for a diplomatic flight to a memorial ceremony.
You can't just call an UBER for the President of the United States.
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Im a VN veteran. I stayed home and worked on a car and watched Nascar and because it was just cold. I heard Columbus had a parade. Attending something is up to every individual. I know people who didnt go to relatives funerals because it was too emotional. I had 2 sons in their 40s. One died last summer from cancer (heavy smoker). I went, but my other son did not want to attend the funeral. I had to convince him to go. Theres others too. Sure it might have been maybe nice if Trump had went, but theres nothing that says he supposed to. If he did go, Im sure some liberals would have found some fault with that too: " how could he have the nerve to show up to honor vets with the deplorable way hes running the country ?"
Trump skips the Veterans Day tribute that every other president went to. Apparently the weather was too bad for him, even though it was fine for his chief of staff. Also, he golfs in the rain, but apparently paying respects to our fallen soldiers is too much in the rain.
I judge a man by his actions, not by his words or pomp.
If I judged Trump exclusively on his words, the man would be a disaster.
If you judged Trump solely on his actions, he'd be the best president the United States has ever had since the original founders.
Only a simpleton with a childlike mind such as yours would believe propaganda that The President of the United States didn't attend a memorial service for American war dead "because he didn't like going out in the rain."
Kid, you don't know the simple, fundamental, difference between honoring VETERANS and holding memorials for war dead, and you CLEARLY don't understand the difference between the French Armistice Day and our own American Veterans Day.
Memorial Day is also probably just some meaningless "early summer cook-out / picnic day" for you.
You don't even have the moral decency to prevent yourself from USING the issue of military Veterans and war dead to further your own insane hatred of the President, and neither do the other vile Marxists that write the hateful blogs and articles that you blindly and faithfully lap up and regurgitate on this forum.
Where it comes to honoring Veterans and military war dead, your best move would be to simply STFU and walk away sonny.
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Well I hope three dog can answer some harmless question.
It seems he likes to stir things in the off topic section knowing a lot of people will pounce. I believe judging by his other posts he would agree with antifa but call the proud boy domestic terrorists. He believes the media at face value with no research. That's the difference between those who see and three blind mice.
I live in a very red area and I have a very close family friend that is the definition of as far left liberal right before socialism you can get. We talk politics about once a month in depth and there are never arguments and we both try to understand the others view point. I believe I've been brain washed into thinking liberals as a majority can have intelligent conversation.
I live in a very red area and I have a very close family friend that is the definition of as far left liberal right before socialism you can get. We talk politics about once a month in depth and there are never arguments and we both try to understand the others view point. I believe I've been brain washed into thinking liberals as a majority can have intelligent conversation.
There a few possible explanations:
1. Your friend is not as "far left liberal" as you imagine.
2. You are not as conservative as you imagine.
3. You have had a positive ideological effect on your friend.
4. You have indeed been brainwashed.
If you really want to see the truth of how "liberals as a majority can have intelligent conversation", go to almost any of the leftist blogs or websites, (i.e. "Occupy Democrats" or "Democratic Underground") and see how long you last while espousing conservative ideological opinions.
For that matter, simply see how long you last while trying to explain the difference between *objective facts* and *opinions* to them.
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To randye - Facts are an extremely hard thing to get through to several liberal minded people. I do have some very middle areas but I'm fiscally conservative and have a relatively strong conservative social mindset. Raised in a house with strong masculine father and loving feminine mother typical gender roles. I try to allow people that think differently than me an open free playing field so I can truly see different mindsets. That's why even though I lurk mainly on this forum and have seen several posts from threedog I will try to allow him to show me something new I had not previously seen.
Also 1 thing I find funny about liberals is they believe in a PC culture dont say bad things yet they are first to attack. If only they held themselves to the rules they hold others.
I have no interest posting on democrat underground. Been on the forum 1 time and I got upset reading posts let alone having dialogue with the masses.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I judge a man by his actions, not by his words or pomp.
If I judged Trump exclusively on his words, the man would be a disaster.
I tend to agree with this. President Trump is not a very good public speaker. But he gets stuff done. Personally, I'll take that over a do-nothing with a silver tongue.
I caught this the other evening after a heavy masturbation session.
I do hope that threedog's Fiero life is better than his political one. So much anger. Oh, I am one pizzed off individual, but back it up with facts.
I often wonder why so many can call hate, yet you never show your faces? You know, stand up to a guy like me?
Carry on. Negs earned. Perhaps our moderator can give us another pic of him in a wife beater spinning records to teen aged girls at rave parties while crying about not being able to drive his Fiero due to an inexpensive part? Decisions people. Decisions.
I tend to agree with this. President Trump is not a very good public speaker. But he gets stuff done. Personally, I'll take that over a do-nothing with a silver tongue.
I returned from a three month sojourn through East Asia and some islands in the West Pacific. Not seeing TV or listening to radio was a reprieve from the negativism I constantly see, hear and read including this forum. I know I can count on the schism between the Right and Left or the Wrong and the Right. Here is your homework: Define wrong and right without finding a passage in a nondescript Google opinion piece to support your right-wrong opinions. Do you try to understand the other side's view without your own prejudices? Is is possible?
This past Saturday (November 10, 2018) was my first time to come home in about three months but frankly, I am not living in a place where I don't feel I am a part of the radical right or left. I was raised a Republican and voted Repub from when I turned 22 until GW Bush came into office in his second term in 2004. Now, I dislike both sides equally and both sides probably don't like me or my kind but that is their problem and not mine. Voting Independent is throwing away my vote but I refuse to vote a straight ticket.
Soon and for me, not soon enough, I will return to the Western Pacific and live the idyllic life of someone who doesn't give a flick and teach kids to make up their own mind and ensure they aren't swayed by some right or left wing whacko. To raise children as Republicans or Democrats is a form of brainwashing and I promise my students that they can make their own choices because they live in freedom.
We need more independent thought and well considered opinions around here. Thank you for your contribution.
I will attempt to address the question of right versus wrong without considering religious doctrine.
I think most would agree that when the benefit outweighs the harm, that is good. The underlying debate really centers around who benefits and who is harmed. I would think that most would put their family at the highest priority. One should also be considerate of others, but when that consideration causes great harm to his family or by extension his countrymen, a choice must be made. In that case right to one can be very wrong to another.
Though there are many things that are always wrong, there is very little that is always right.
Soon and for me, not soon enough, I will return to the Western Pacific and live the idyllic life of someone who doesn't give a flick and teach kids to make up their own mind and ensure they aren't swayed by some right or left wing whacko. To raise children as Republicans or Democrats is a form of brainwashing and I promise my students that they can make their own choices because they live in freedom.
I was not aware that any country in the "Western Pacific" has a Constitution identical to the United States.
Do they have Freedom of speech as defined in our 1st Amendment?
Do they have the right to keep and bear arms as defined in our 2nd Amendment?
Do they have Freedom of Assembly as defined in our 1st Amendment?
What kind of "live in freedom" you're talking about?
You said: "Soon and for me, not soon enough, I will return to the Western Pacific..." That certainly appears to indicate a real disdain or even hatred for this country. Do you actually feel that way?
Do you actually imagine that parents somehow forcibly "raise children as Republicans or Democrats"?
You said: "both sides probably don't like me or my kind". What exactly is "your kind"?
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I think most would agree that when the benefit outweighs the harm, that is good.
In the case of two lions and a lamb debating over what's for dinner, and how much harm may be potentially done, I most certainly disagree with that premise.
Additionally, unless you are willing to completely ascribe to the idea of secular humanist moral relativism, I don't believe that anyone can successfully separate questions of "right and wrong" from religion, even at a very fundamental level.
I am also assuming at this point that the original question of the President's attendance at a foreign memorial for World War 1 dead is now "old news" and has lost what tiny amount of political relevance or even "troll value" it might have once had.
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In the case of two lions and a lamb debating over what's for dinner, and how much harm may be potentially done, I most certainly disagree with that premise.
Additionally, unless you are willing to completely ascribe to the idea of secular humanist moral relativism, I don't believe that anyone can successfully separate questions of "right and wrong" from religion, even at a very fundamental level.
That oversimplification completely ignores the remainder of my explanation.
Also, I avoided the question of religion because it would be too easy to simply say that something is right because God says so. We need to try to understand why God said so.
Having spent the majority of my life attempting to do just that, I can report that in many ways I am closer to fully understanding that, yet in some smaller ways also further from a complete understanding.
What I DO know is that the endeavor is infinitely more productive and fruitful than foolishly designating myself as "my own God" and trying to craft my own morality.
Yes, I did simplify what you said, only to make a point of my own.
Overall though, I am in agreement with your sentiment.
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Im a VN veteran. I stayed home and worked on a car and watched Nascar and because it was just cold. I heard Columbus had a parade. Attending something is up to every individual. I know people who didnt go to relatives funerals because it was too emotional. I had 2 sons in their 40s. One died last summer from cancer (heavy smoker). I went, but my other son did not want to attend the funeral. I had to convince him to go. Theres others too. Sure it might have been maybe nice if Trump had went, but theres nothing that says he supposed to. If he did go, Im sure some liberals would have found some fault with that too: " how could he have the nerve to show up to honor vets with the deplorable way hes running the country ?"
I'm a cold-war-warrior, Roger (a generation after you), but one thing remains the same....Not ONE single one of us put on a uniform to gain parades and platitudes, or free meals and coffees 35 years later. There were different reasons for volunteering, but not one single one had one single thing to do with fanfare. There was a job to do, and most of the reasons (at least for me) were selfish.
And those "freedoms" all those guys (and us) signed up to defend ?? I really dont see them anymore. They were lost to libs and feelings 50 years ago. The Socialist commies and Socialist Nazis won, they just did it while we were looking the other way.
Think I'm wrong ? Compare freedom in 1946 to "freedom" today.
Well I hope three dog can answer some harmless question.
It seems he likes to stir things in the off topic section knowing a lot of people will pounce. I believe judging by his other posts he would agree with antifa but call the proud boy domestic terrorists. He believes the media at face value with no research. That's the difference between those who see and three blind mice.
Dude, I've never in my life carried a baton. Never had a need for one. I can hold my own even at 51 and fat-gut,bad-knee-bad-hips. I'll still head-butt you into the middle of next month and not even notice. I can shoulder-check you into the net..err..moon. I meant moon. Sorry, you guys dont play hockey.
But I got one today. BECAUSE of antifa and what they are and have become around here. I'd RATHER just open carry and frack ya, but that's not legal here...but 18-inches of expanding steel that will break bone IS legal to defend yourself from the roaming pit-bulls and rottweilers (work with me here) in the neighborhood.
See, in canada, defending yourself from 4-legged animals is legal, but 2-legged animals--dont do that.
I was not aware that any country in the "Western Pacific" has a Constitution identical to the United States. [/b] A constitution is a document that doesn't necessarily mimic and isn't identical to the US Constitution. Why you think I wrote the Constitution was identical. Did I say that?
Do they have Freedom of speech as defined in our 1st Amendment? [b]Yes
Do they have the right to keep and bear arms as defined in our 2nd Amendment? [/b]No, because Palauans have their own State Police Force. Very small but good cops. Do they have Freedom of Assembly as defined in our 1st Amendment? [b]Yes
What kind of "live in freedom" you're talking about? [/b]The freedom given to the Palauns as defined in the Palau Constitution
You said: "Soon and for me, not soon enough, I will return to the Western Pacific..." That certainly appears to indicate a real disdain or even hatred for this country. Do you actually feel that way? [b]Did I say that? Show me the passage where I said I hate my country. I like teaching the Palauan children, I like the warm climate, the friendly people, their warm feelings toward others. Hate my country? No. I just don't like the direction our country has taken. I exercise my freedom of speech.
Do you actually imagine that parents somehow forcibly "raise children as Republicans or Democrats"? [/b]Forcibly? Did I say that? You're putting your thoughts and not mine into this discussion.
You said: "both sides probably don't like me or my kind". What exactly is "your kind"? [b]"My kind" are people who can think and form their own opinions with information from both sides of the political spectrum. If you don't read, see or hear Democratic opinion and only read or hear or see Republican opinion, you're narrow minded. I made it clear that I was a Republican from 1960 to 2004 and with the turn to the hard right and away from the Old Guard of the Reagan days, Lord please help us.
Believe or not, I don't dislike you. I really don't know you and I'd much prefer to talk about cars and not play "Gotcha!!!!!" I think we could sit down and have some interesting conversations. Just leave politics out of it and we'll get along. If we don't get along, I'll ignore you and go my own way.
There are other versions (Amended) of the Constitution but these two copies will help you. Have fun reading it. It is very much like our own Constitution with basic rights of the people.
The Palau Republic is a group of 500 islands in the Western Pacific about 800 miles northeast of Luzon in the Philippines and about the same distance southwest of Guam.
The island group includes Peleliu (Pay-lay-loo) where the 1st Marine Division had a heckuva time fighting the Japanese in 1944-45 and the Army's 81st Division finished the battle about three months later when the Marines were withdrawn to get ready for the battle of Okinawa. Peleliu's beautiful landscape hides several million mines, knee mortars, hundreds of machine guns and tons of unexploded ordnance. The Australian, Japanese and Explosive Ordnance Disposal folks from other countries are assisting the locals dig up the explosives and rope off cleared areas. The US lost more than 1200 men and the Japanese lost more than 11,200 men in the battle of Peleliu.
I didn't give a frack either about the Pacific War until I went there to see where my Uncle JD and his Marine cohorts fought one hell of a battle.
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The Palau Republic is a group of 500 islands in the Western Pacific about 800 miles northeast of Luzon in the Philippines and about the same distance southwest of Guam.
The island group includes Peleliu (Pay-lay-loo) where the 1st Marine Division had a heckuva time fighting the Japanese in 1944-45 and the Army's 81st Division finished the battle about three months later when the Marines were withdrawn to get ready for the battle of Okinawa. Peleliu's beautiful landscape hides several million mines, knee mortars, hundreds of machine guns and tons of unexploded ordnance. The Australian, Japanese and Explosive Ordnance Disposal folks from other countries are assisting the locals dig up the explosives and rope off cleared areas. The US lost more than 1200 men and the Japanese lost more than 11,200 men in the battle of Peleliu.
I didn't give a frack either about the Pacific War until I went there to see where my Uncle JD and his Marine cohorts fought one hell of a battle.
WOW, thanks for the education man...THAT was worth looking up and reading.
Well I don't dislike you either, but DAMN you are really defensive son!
Maybe you should pack up and spend the rest of your days wearing a grass skirt and living on a small Pacific island.
BTW, I did read the Palau constitution before I asked you those questions, and NO they don't have the same rights as we do here in the United States. While their constitution does bear some *resemblance* to ours, there are very large and fundamental differences. The kind of differences that make theirs a cheap imitation.
People that don't have the right or the means, (2A) to keep their freedom are never really a free people. They simply live under the temporary benevolence of an omnipotent state.
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Well I don't dislike you either, but DAMN you are really defensive son!
Maybe you should pack up and spend the rest of your days wearing a grass skirt and living on a small Pacific island.
BTW, I did read the Palau constitution before I asked you those questions, and NO they don't have the same rights as we do here in the United States. While their constitution does bear some *resemblance* to ours, there are very large and fundamental differences. The kind of differences that make theirs a cheap imitation.
People that don't have the right or the means, (2A) to keep their freedom are never really a free people. They simply live under the temporary benevolence of an omnipotent state.
Hmm. Really? You read all iterations/versions of the Palauan Constitution? Odd that you initially posted a two line response and now I see you edited your response and now you're saying that you read the Palau Constitution. I won't argue with you--I am nearing 81 years of age--because life is too short especially for me to nitpick anything. I have lived on two Palauan islands and enjoyed my time there. Frankly the city of Koror didn't appeal to me but I met a lot of nice folks there especially an ex-GI who served in Afghanistan and gave me a ride from the ferry pier to a nice hotel. I am sure you know Palau more than I do but the outlying islands appeal to me more than the hectic hustle bustle of where I now live.
I see you live in NPR--my Mom and Stepdad lived there and my former wife lived with them while I wasted my time in Vietnam. They lived on River Road and I would have lived there too if Uncle Sam hadn't sent me elsewhere.
Finally, don't insult me with the tag "Son." I am probably old enough to be your father, grandfather or great grandfather. I'd never call you son. I am a Southerner too and the word son is to me a pejorative.
Finally, don't insult me with the tag "Son." I am probably old enough to be your father, grandfather or great grandfather. I'd never call you son. I am a Southerner too and the word son is to me a pejorative.
Actually, No you're not old enough to be any those unless you were a sexually precocious little lad that hit puberty early.
As for the "son" attribution, you're obviously free to take it however you want, but you're not free to define my intent for me.
I take it they must have reasonable geriatric care in Palau.
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Actually, No you're not old enough to be any those unless you were a sexually precocious little lad that hit puberty early.
As for the "son" attribution, you're obviously free to take it however you want, but you're not free to define my intent for me.
I take it they must have reasonable geriatric care in Palau.
Ok Dad. you win. Regarding geriatric care: My misstep in SE Asia and lower back fusion left me a little lame but I was able to climb some pretty steep cliffs on Peleliu. I see no reason to continue whatever we're continuing. I hope you have an 81st birthday soon too--I will. Happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas. Is New Port Richey still full of ancient folks like me? Like us?
Originally posted by starlightcoupe: I hope you have an 81st birthday soon too--I will.
Question: At 80, how do you feel about life? All things considered, is it worth getting that far? What's the benefits? Wiser? Easier-going? A sense of coming full-circle on ones Book Of Life? Serious question.
I'm hitting 60 in 2 years, and I feel like I've seen plenty enough already to realize the futility of it all. Just the same old "human-condition" patterns repeating themselves.
It appears that there is indeed nothing new under the sun.* Utter emptiness, meaninglessness, and futility are the lot of mankind, and that all human toil on this earth actually accounts for nothing. At 80, does one move past that in wisdom, or is that in & of itself the wisdom?
*Ecclesiastes 1:9: "What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun."
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ya, the total opposite of Obuma.
