People should have control over what THEY post. As they are the author, and usually anything written by an author is their intellectual property.
You create a lie then jab me for 15+ years at every opportunity you could find. Then you of all people want to talk about personal ethics? You are such a POS.
------------------ Rodney Dickman
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People should have control over what THEY post. As they are the author, and usually anything written by an author is their intellectual property.
Except when you sign up for the forum, part of what you agree to when clicking create account is that you forfeit any intellectual property rights of the words and images you post to the forum owner. Essentially, it's like any other TOS agreement out there that you click "yes" or "I agree" to. If I recall correctly, Jazzman even threatened Cliff with legal action if he did not remove them and Cliff told him go ahead. He pointed to the terms Jazzman and everyone else agree's to when they register for the forum. That's why Jazzman started deleting all of his posts on his own, because Cliff wasn't legally obligated to do it. Cliff was also able to restore most of what he deleted from a back up of the forum if I recall correctly, at least his words. Images I think is what mostly ended up lost as they were probably hosted off site and removed from whatever album they were in there.
Originally posted by cliffw: You talk like I added to Jazzman's misery. What would you have done ? Not talk about politics he didn't like because he was a snowflake ?
A lot of us here just simply didn't engage him in his destruction. We didn't poke at him, we didn't pile on, and we didn't make the situation worse, all for no good reason. And that's the point.
The most amazing thing is someone like me having to repeatedly try to explain to those who seem to profess to be far wiser than I a concept as mature & simple as the one I have fruitlessly tried to explain here. I mean, it's not a new idea. It's so well known it's probably even in the Bible. If one professes to follow those teachings, that is.
Although, I will admit my part in these conflicts; I do have a particular bent for speaking-up for and/or defending the underdog. I tend to lean toward being a peace-maker. But i'm working on that. It's a useless endeavor. There's no win in it.
Originally posted by sardonyx247: When Jazzman deleted his posts, I think he had every right to, he posted it. People should have control over what THEY post. As they are the author, and usually anything written by an author is their intellectual property.
I agree. I also don't miss any one of them, in T/OT or Tech, even Chat for that matter. No one is irreplaceable. I admit though that his leaving saddened me. James is a good man and I have met him in person a few times. I wish him well. I forget the details but at one time I offered to travel to Dallas and help him with a home repair project he needed help with.
I even have empathy for him. I could not imagine his pain with PFF T/OT. To take the time to find all of his posts and delete them, that took a lot of effort, and time. Something I would just have written off. It is not lost on me that it took a lot of time to create each of his posts. A labor of love, I would think. To destroy all that you loved ?
The thing is, he did not just hurt the people who he felt hurt him. He also hurt the people who loved him. He erased his legacy.
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Originally posted by sardonyx247: Religion and/or politics should NOT be tolerated on a car forum, (as most other car/any forums don't). If you want help with your PC, find a computer forum, if you need help with your kids, find a family forum, but keep a car forum to cars. Last thing I or other want, is to look up Fiero info and find a detailed prostate exam. But Religion and/or politics, people WILL ALWAYS fight. Get rid of it, forget the money made by people fighting with other people. (nothing like profiting off the misery of others)
Did 'ga know, T/OT is the most popular subsection of PFF. Are you saying Cliff Pennock is banking on misery ? Look at your local news. If it bleeds, it leads. Cliff is just providing a format with freedom of speech, freedom of association. Do you have a problem with the US Constitution ?
We as Americans, should be discussing politics. Religion should not be out of bounds. Nothing in life should be out of bounds. We are life.
For all that care about James, contact Blake (blakeinspace username). Of The North Texas Fiero Club.
I am in for a group hug for James.
No one makes you listen/read/respond. James just could not fine the BACK button when he did not like the conversation that every one else was enjoying.
No one makes you listen/read/respond. James just could not find the BACK button when he did not like the conversation that every one else was enjoying.
I believe that is the exact point I am trying to make.
Originally posted by Boondawg: A lot of us here just simply didn't engage him in his destruction. We didn't poke at him, we didn't pile on, and we didn't make the situation worse, all for no good reason. And that's the point.
You don't understand the counter point. He poked us, and piled on at any chance of "the world according to jazzman". He made his situation worse.
No matter what a few of you say, I shall continue to post the words that I choose. If you are offended, I defer to the Constitution, the rules of this forum, and my own moral code. I find it comical that you judge folks so openly, and demand us to not judge.
O/T is an area where cars are not discussed. If you do not like this part of the forum, then police your own selves. Honestly, it is not my job to open threads for you. It is your own responsibility to pass things that are not to your taste.
@ Sardony... You are kind of a delicate flower, aren't ya? I never really gave you much attention, but you come across as deft. Yeah, I am freely judging you. If you do not like it, bypass this thread. OK?
Edit: Just a little disclaimer or some odd shat...
I do not hate you folks that I speak of. I do not wish ill will upon any of you or the rest of us here or anywhere else for that matter. But, telling me to be quiet is like facing a hurricane. It can and has been done, but it always comes with a strong resistant force.
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Originally posted by Tony Kania: ... it always comes with a strong resistant force.
Ah, so you have met some of the women I tried to take, .
That's sexist, cliffw. No it's not, not one of them were a feminist. Grapple with the truth. My wife is a woman who doesn't need or desire a feminist bone in her body.
No matter what a few of you say, I shall continue to post the words that I choose. If you are offended, I defer to the Constitution, the rules of this forum, and my own moral code.
And these are the words you choose:
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:
I am so very much not sorry that you are grumpy at me. I can clearly understand Lambonuts opinion of you, but I still try and extend a hand? I must be the crazy one. I have offered help to you on several occasions as of late only to be bypassed. I offered solace about your Wife and truck, and still nothing?
Tell you what Boondawg, you keep on being a life long pinsetter, and I will continue to be my own boss. Next time I go bowling for fun, I will be sure to give respect to all of the other pinsetters out there in your honor.
If you can not take it, don't ****ing give it back.
Ok? I feel like you did not read my words the first time, so here we go again... You are correct, I am NOT a victim. Do you not understand my written words?
After several go arounds of this nature, I often become a bit agitated. My solution to this agitation is comedy. After the comedy, in which you are unaware of, I may go with a little name calling. It can escalate quite quickly after that though.
What I am telling you is to have a good day. But, if you open your trap, I will open mine. Sorry about your rose colored glasses, but mine are clear, only a few weeks old, and the best set that I have ever owned. I do not spend my waking hours baked off of my gourd like you. Oh, I am not knocking your choice of mental stimulant, only pointing out facts.
Pizz off 50 people (red) or get 50 people to like your comments (green)--or some combination of both-- and it shows up.
(Hint around here its a LOT easier to pizz people off than it is make them laugh. )
Pretty much what he said. Once you gain 50 ratings total, other than nuetral, you get a bar. As. Note, you can rate yourself so if you haven't done that yet maybe that rating will be the one that gets your bar to show. You like most have a + friend m me. I rate most ( because I'm not perfect at getting it done ) people positive once they have a few posts under their belt. It entirely up to them whether they keep it or not.
When Jazzman deleted his posts, I think he had every right to, he posted it.
I agree, he had the right but, he obviously did so prior to being banned and obviously decided to not alter his behavior. His behavior on this forum is what got him banned. I really don't believe people go looking for a reason to ban another, the offending member is the one bringing the rain onto himself.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
You create a lie then jab me for 15+ years at every opportunity you could find. Then you of all people want to talk about personal ethics? You are such a POS.
RODNEY!!! One of my favorite Fiero people. I've got boxes of stuff I bought from you, sitting in my storage unit with my Fiero, waiting to go on. The flaps around the radiator fit awesome. I still have the spare tire cover. You sell so much awesome stuff for the Fiero... thanks for being there for us.
RODNEY!!! One of my favorite Fiero people. I've got boxes of stuff I bought from you, sitting in my storage unit with my Fiero, waiting to go on. The flaps around the radiator fit awesome. I still have the spare tire cover. You sell so much awesome stuff for the Fiero... thanks for being there for us.
I just happened to check how I rated Rodney, and for some reason he was not rated??? He has sent me some parts for free to test out and they worked great. Thanks Rodney, you are now rated with a + from me.
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Originally posted by Khw: This is a forum and we argue political idiologies, religion and even approaches to how one chooses to lead their life but in the end we know there are real people with real struggles and real lives on the other side of those words. Their opinions we may disagree with. Their approaches we may disagree with. Their humanity most would respect and honor.
This.
As someone who has been on the receiving end, it irks me when I see people rejoice about someone else's misfortune. In my case, I made a comment another member basically attacked me for, and I responded firmly, whereupon it felt as if everyone else ganged up on me. I had my issues with dobey, but didn't see his demise. For all that he and I got into it, I don't believe that there were any negative ratings for each other, and he was someone who at least tried to help when I had a question.
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When your rating results in someone being banned, do you feel better about yourself?
As someone who has been on the receiving end, it irks me when I see people rejoice about someone else's misfortune. In my case, I made a comment another member basically attacked me for, and I responded firmly, whereupon it felt as if everyone else ganged up on me. I had my issues with dobey, but didn't see his demise. For all that he and I got into it, I don't believe that there were any negative ratings for each other, and he was someone who at least tried to help when I had a question.
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When your rating results in someone being banned, do you feel better about yourself?
Personally, I have only given out less than 1/2-dozen negs in 10 years. Dobey was one of them and I view it much the same way I view watching a belligerent, threatening azzwipe being tossed out of a bar or restaurant....he got what he deserved, and it was a LONG time getting there. He had plenty of time to reverse course and change his approach slightly, its not like it was one of the speed bans that happen every so often.
Oh as for the rest of you guys--- I'M REPORTING YOU FOR "P"EEING IN PUBLIC, DIMMIT !!!!!!
About 12 years ago, there was a co-worker who was frequently late, and often distracted upon arrival. She was 18 at the time. I was rather upset with her. She never called to say she was going to be late, and arrived at random times, sometimes several hours late. We were both salaried employees, so I had to work late and do her job, but received no compensation for doing so. Whenever I asked her about this, she became angry at me and was very unpleasant. I went to management, and they blew me off, saying that she stayed late, so they had no issue. One night, the VP asked me if I'd asked my co-worker why she was late. I hadn't, but I tried, the next day. I got nowhere with this. My co-worker was verbally abusive. The next day, she didn't show, or the next. I had to work 2 double shifts. I was not happy.
I later found out that my co-worker had a younger sister. Both girls had been abused by their parents. The father eventually left. The mother became more abusive, and my co-worker stayed with her sister until the mother left for the night. Finally, the mother stabbed the younger sister and hung herself, resulting in my co-worker not coming in to work. The younger sister lived, and my co-worker cared for her. Unfortunately, my co-worker gradually began a downward spiral from that point.
You never know what is going on in someone's life. Somewhere in these people's lives, there was a tipping point. At some point, they'd had enough. Maybe they vented in the wrong place, or didn't vent at all; maybe they had nowhere to turn--and trust me, that is the case for many people. Suppose your interaction with them was the last straw?
Imagine my co-worker, having to choose between saving her sister's life or preventing her mother from hanging herself. Then dealing with loss, guilt, etc afterward.
I don't believe anything I could've done would have changed anything, but why that day, rather than any other day? The police at best take a report. Really, there is almost no recourse. The police, social services, and the halfway houses just make the situation worse. Even the CIT officers just diffuse the immediate situation by postponing things until after they leave.
Not that situation, but I have twice been called by accident by someone who meant to call 911. Sometimes, a person just needs a friendly word to keep their head on straight. Someone mentioned banned users' legacy. If you had been banned, but came back and read a bunch of negative comments about you, where you could no longer defend yourself, how would you feel?
I understand deleting posts. I was involved in a big event as a sponsor, vendor, and organizer. There were a series of unfortunate events, and I left the event, pulled my sponsorship, and disassociated myself from the event. I moved my activity to a different venue. The original event failed, because my activity drew most of the traffic, and my sponsorship was a major one. I have been repeatedly asked to return, to help organize, to recruit vendors, to be a sponsor, etc, but they had previously made clear that they didn't want me. I refuse to even let them use my company name. Members in good standing with PFF have voluntarily removed themselves, as previously pointed out. If PFF rejects someone, it should be a package deal. Yes, I'd rather it be Cliff than a popularity contest.
On the flip side, I understand that some members get by with things for one reason or another. I'm just saying that banned members are still people; after people are banned, it seems as if some members gloat about it. In other threads, I've read posts where people bragged about being the first to hit the ban button on someone. I was disgusted with those posts, and ashamed to belong to such a group. Then, when I called out similar behavior for ITR SOL, someone suggested that I needed a safe place (or some such thing).
I have to wonder if some members attend funerals to talk about the deceased. ”I never liked him.” ”I was the first to lace his drink with arsenic.” ”He was never clean-shaven.” ”I heard him drop the f-bomb.” ”When we were in high school, he kept trying to get better grades than I did.” ”He never had anything good to say.” ”He married my girlfriend.”
Perhaps, some of those banned just got fed up, and figured they'd get banned on purpose.
You make some excellent points; however, there does come a point when we have to say enough is enough. I've been banned from boards before... at least temporarily, and it was usually because I felt very strongly about something, that perhaps the moderators didn't. It just is what it is...
Originally posted by Monkeyman: So, retaliation is right? C'mon. You know better than that. I've seen others say stupid stuff and seen you post normal, rational posts back at them.
Retaliation ? It was not that at all. I just got tired of having to continually put up with his zhit that he claimed he did not want to put up with. If anything, I entertain that it was he who was doing the retaliation by causing problems because he couldn't get his way, or hit the back button.
He proved the point. No matter how good looking she is, someone, somewhere, is tired of his zhit.
Honestly, it is not my job to open threads for you. It is your own responsibility to pass things that are not to your taste. 
I never really gave you much attention, but you come across as deft. Yeah, I am freely judging you. If you do not like it, bypass this thread. OK? 
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around here its a LOT easier to pizz people off than it is make them laugh. 
