I can't believe people are paying $250 for these things. Grow the heck up, and stop playing with yourself. Just knowing these people are out there diminishes my hope for humanity.
Except you, TDA. If you've got one, fine. Enjoy it.
As ADHD cases rise, so do the use of these things. There are many cheap ones, and some you can build yourself.
Many students have huge issues keeping still, its a compulsion. Especially being at a school that only offers one or two sports, no gym class, and a lunch that is 50% sugar, there is almost no way for them to get energy out. They don't fidget consciously, and it is physically painful not to(if I don't workout every day, I have to shake my leg). On top of that, a third of them are on medication that ups their heart rate, again increasing energy levels.
As a teacher, if they want to use one I have zero problem with it. It is better than tapping the desk with their fingers or scribbling instead of paying attention.
my oldest son just asked me if he could buy one of these with his own money from amazon, when I asked him why he said he gets bored in class and the work doesn't challenge him. My reply was you are in school to learn not play, and if you need something to do with your hands twirl a pencil, if the school work doesn't challenge you ask your teacher for something that will and gain extra credit.
30 years ago a coworker had a large bearing that he would spin the outer race with a hand inserted into the inner race. Kinda annoying but it made you want to try it too.
30 years ago a coworker had a large bearing that he would spin the outer race with a hand inserted into the inner race. Kinda annoying but it made you want to try it too.
It's another fad that will slowly die away and be replaced by something else. Just like Pokemon Cards, Pogs, Digital Pets and heck even marbles that had their year or so of popularity when I was young. We had a yo-yo craze for awhile as well when I was a kid and every kid wanted the Duncan yo-yo that looked like a mag wheel. Not to mention, 9 or so months ago when Pokemon Go was the rage.
That said, we bought one for my son but he doesn't go to traditional school anymore. He knows it is a toy he will only be able to use between classes and assignments, and our son is autistic. We had issues with his former school that exploded just before Christmas and when the reality came to light, we yanked him out of traditional school and enrolled him in Utah Virtual Academy ( a on-line school with off-line assignments as well ). My wife is a stay at home mom and also his learning coach so she is here with him, keeping him on task and making sure he doesn't ignore his class work. He has been student of the week in various classes several times since we enrolled him and is frequently called on to read in class or provide answers and how those answers were gotten if needed. It's been a 180o turn from him being scared to go to school to loving school and wanting to go. We figure, if he wants one of the latest fad toys that are less than $10.00, with as good as he is doing he can have one. A $250.00 one on the other hand... No. Heck, we looked on eBay and there are much better ones than the one he has that can be gotten for less than $15.00. Some that even my wife and I wouldn't mind having just for the novelty. We are thinking of getting one of these for our daughters just to see if the school will let them keep it with them there. It could make a nice improvised defensive tool if the need arose.
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I'm all for anything that gets kids off of their cell phones.
Getting upset about a new toy is kind of pointless.
New ones come out every year. Kids buy them. Old people get mad that they're nothing like their old pick-up-sticks or red ryder bb gun. Repeat.
I get what you're saying about the "generational" stuff, but what I don't like is when these things are used in classrooms and other places by "normal" kids and it DOESNT help them to "focus". You tell them something, And they're like "whuuuut?" And its antisocial, they don't interact with each other when they use them. I know, ya see kids like this with cell phones and lego and before that, game boys and (insert toy here) At least with lego, you're building stuff. These spinners don't make you smarter. It can help kids that have issues, and I LOVE toys, there's just something about these things that irks me.
I'm overreacting, it's not like they are slumped over lying on the ground drooling with eyes all akimbo, endlessly spinning...
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I get what you're saying about the "generational" stuff, but what I don't like is when these things are used in classrooms and other places by "normal" kids and it DOESNT help them to "focus". You tell them something, And they're like "whuuuut?" And its antisocial, they don't interact with each other when they use them. I know, ya see kids like this with cell phones and lego and before that, game boys and (insert toy here) At least with lego, you're building stuff. These spinners don't make you smarter. It can help kids that have issues, and I LOVE toys, there's just something about these things that irks me.
I'm overreacting, it's not like they are slumped over lying on the ground drooling with eyes all akimbo, endlessly spinning...
I agree. People that cannot focus sometimes need someone to teach them how to focus. Focus is important. Distractions are nice, but does nothing to help the kid learn how to deal with real world stuff.. Like focusing and problem solving. There are people that would benefit from spinner like toys... But most of them don't have spinners.
I agree. People that cannot focus sometimes need someone to teach them how to focus. Focus is important. Distractions are nice, but does nothing to help the kid learn how to deal with real world stuff.. Like focusing and problem solving. There are people that would benefit from spinner like toys... But most of them don't have spinners.
Brad
That's it - thanks Brad. seems like its "Behavioral Therapy < DRUGS" it's "Here Johnny-take this pill once a day and here's your fidget spinner and cellphone. Not let me get back to my little screen here."
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My grandfather worked on the Manhattan project and figured out how to guide bombs with that bad boy. Now kids need a spinner thing to guide the brain? Somebody has things backward dont ya think?
As ADHD cases rise, so do the use of these things. There are many cheap ones, and some you can build yourself.
Many students have huge issues keeping still, its a compulsion. Especially being at a school that only offers one or two sports, no gym class, and a lunch that is 50% sugar, there is almost no way for them to get energy out. They don't fidget consciously, and it is physically painful not to(if I don't workout every day, I have to shake my leg). On top of that, a third of them are on medication that ups their heart rate, again increasing energy levels.
As a teacher, if they want to use one I have zero problem with it. It is better than tapping the desk with their fingers or scribbling instead of paying attention.
"As ADHD cases rise". Interesting, what do you attribute this increase to?
Has the human race evolved? Somehow, I'm doubtful. Won't suggest the doctors aren't diagnosing more of it. It will be interesting to see how these kids do later in life when they bring their toys to work with them.
Employers are not so sympathetic. Pandering to a child and not letting them learn hard lessons in life only sets them up for greater failure later on.
"As a teacher, if they want to use one I have zero problem with it."
This I understand, makes your job a lot easier. Personally, I'd prefer you send my kid to the "office" and call me. Self-Control is something every child needs to learn early on.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
If you wish to upset a Conservative, lie to him. If you wish to upset a Liberal, tell him the truth.
Why is that now we have so many fights in classroom, not paying attention, and blatant disorderly conduct? It spans past races. In the late eighties we had to at least pay attention in class. Sit appropriately. You know, learn. I picture kids with "feelings" stopping class because they forgot their fidget spinners, cell phone, or what ever else they need to concentrate.
Geez folks, we had to learn in school. It seems now indoctrination is preceding schooling. More of a preschool atmosphere. Young adults? They will never become adults.
Why is that now we have so many fights in classroom, not paying attention, and blatant disorderly conduct? It spans past races. In the late eighties we had to at least pay attention in class. Sit appropriately. You know, learn. I picture kids with "feelings" stopping class because they forgot their fidget spinners, cell phone, or what ever else they need to concentrate.
Geez folks, we had to learn in school. It seems now indoctrination is preceding schooling. More of a preschool atmosphere. Young adults? They will never become adults.
Still hoping to get a response but, that may or may not happen................. ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
If you wish to upset a Conservative, lie to him. If you wish to upset a Liberal, tell him the truth.
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"As ADHD cases rise". Interesting, what do you attribute this increase to?
Has the human race evolved?
Well yes it has to an extent.
If you mean in the context of physiology, not so much. Our bodies still operate the same way in that our heart still pumps blood, our lungs still breath air and we still consume food and eliminate the waste.
However, the environment in which we are nurtured in has drastically change over the last 100 years. When you were a child, how many mothers breastfed verses cow/goat milk or formula? How many homes had air conditioning? How many homes had a TV? How many of the vaccines that are administered today were being administered then? How much processed food did you consume in comparison to what kids in modern society consume? What kind of challenges did kids face then verses now? The Great Depression with young kids doing whatever they could to contribute fiscally to their family, how would the children of today cope?
I'm curious as to what the rates of ADHD and ADD would be in places where people still exist in tribes? Where people still live with the real possibility of famine?
So yes, we have evolved and it's not an evolution un-witnessed by many of the older generation. After all, how many times have we seen "Kids these days don't know how good they got it" type of comments?
This really is a fascinating concept. One that you and I may agree on.
Factors determine results. One factor, the air we breath, is different from the air that those took in 100 years ago. The air now is vastly more composed of different elements than ever in human history. What we take in determines who we are. I believe that has to change the way a person grows. Environmental factors mold creation. Change factors, and creation changes.
And just think..I wasted my early youth trying to get a peek down girls' blouses in class...I coulda been playing with one of these gadgets instead.
In my "early" youth, I didn't have to peek down their blouses. Fill up the little plastic pool, turn on the sprinkler in the yard and all the little girls and boys playing in the water didn't have a shirt on. It wasn't until my "older" youth that trying to peek down blouses became a thing.
If you mean in the context of physiology, not so much. Our bodies still operate the same way in that our heart still pumps blood, our lungs still breath air and we still consume food and eliminate the waste.
However, the environment in which we are nurtured in has drastically change over the last 100 years. When you were a child, how many mothers breastfed verses cow/goat milk or formula? How many homes had air conditioning? How many homes had a TV? How many of the vaccines that are administered today were being administered then? How much processed food did you consume in comparison to what kids in modern society consume? What kind of challenges did kids face then verses now? The Great Depression with young kids doing whatever they could to contribute fiscally to their family, how would the children of today cope?
I'm curious as to what the rates of ADHD and ADD would be in places where people still exist in tribes? Where people still live with the real possibility of famine?
So yes, we have evolved and it's not an evolution un-witnessed by many of the older generation. After all, how many times have we seen "Kids these days don't know how good they got it" type of comments?
Won't disagree with you, I'm not qualified in that area. But, my contention still stands. They, must learn to deal with it.
I can just see some 18 year old bringing his spinner with him as he/she clocks in for work.
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And just think..I wasted my early youth trying to get a peek down girls' blouses in class...I coulda been playing with one of these gadgets instead.
So, you were the guy that was always spoiling my view. Being honest, the back of your head ain't all that attractive.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
If you wish to upset a Conservative, lie to him. If you wish to upset a Liberal, tell him the truth.
my oldest son just asked me if he could buy one of these with his own money from amazon, when I asked him why he said he gets bored in class and the work doesn't challenge him. My reply was you are in school to learn not play, and if you need something to do with your hands twirl a pencil, if the school work doesn't challenge you ask your teacher for something that will and gain extra credit.
dan
I had an IEP when I was in school. Basically just needed more time on tests. But I was grouped into a class that wasn't challenging enough for me. As time went on the gap just got bigger and bigger. I couldn't get out of it when I would ask them during meetings. I don't know anything about Math, Science or History. But my report card showed A's and B's. They thought I was doing great. While in reality I could see the problem. I don't know what the situation is. But in my case I'd hate to have this happen to someone else. Even my parents didn't know it was a problem until I was in high school.
Up until a week ago I had never heard of a fidget spinner, then one day as I was being trained on a new route my trainer pulled one out and started playing with it. Since then, I've seen it plastered all over Facebook, youtube and everywhere else around here.
While the Learning Express Toys and maybe others have "CHOKING HAZARD - Small parts. Not for children under 3 years." on their web site, Retail packages may not show the warning or warning is on back etc.
Big Problem here Girl is 10 and put into mouth to "clean" it and part came loose.
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Joniec said her daughter was able to tell her she'd put part of her fidget spinner in her mouth to clean it and accidentally swallowed it.
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If it was in the car etc... Plastic may get hot and make it weak then easily release the bearings. Heat and stress can do that even after cooled down later. Just bending forces and many plastics can make them weak too. Then add spit and bearings can pop out easy.
And if anyone can eat any parts... Likely dogs and other pets can eat them too. But dogs won't eat bearing... Don't could on that. Even If they won't, eat the plastic parts can be dangerous for them. I've seen dogs eat Nylabones and other tough toys that you much watch and take away before having problems. Just have a dog ate small plastic "rubber bands" cause problems thus week and Finally barf them back up. Some spinners are made w/ only 1 bearing and rest only plastic and dead weight(s) made from anything.
China and others have a long history iffy plastics etc on cheap things. Many in just last few years had to recall toys w/ bad plastic, screws getting loose, etc. Example: McD's recalled their "Step It!" watch last summer for "burning" cause by plastic case and band.
------------------ Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. (Jurassic Park)
"As ADHD cases rise". Interesting, what do you attribute this increase to?
Has the human race evolved? Somehow, I'm doubtful. Won't suggest the doctors aren't diagnosing more of it. It will be interesting to see how these kids do later in life when they bring their toys to work with them.
Employers are not so sympathetic. Pandering to a child and not letting them learn hard lessons in life only sets them up for greater failure later on.
"As a teacher, if they want to use one I have zero problem with it."
This I understand, makes your job a lot easier. Personally, I'd prefer you send my kid to the "office" and call me. Self-Control is something every child needs to learn early on.
It's not about making my job easier, it's about allowing the kids to focus.
I do believe that cases are on the rise, because of the technological stimulation kids are constantly under. TV, smart phones, ads, multiple devices..it really takes a mental toll. If a figet spinner helps, it helps. The only issue I'm seeing is kids who really dont need it. However, that's not my judgement to make. If kids can use one and pay attention, so be it.
Originally posted by Threedog: It's not about making my job easier, it's about allowing the kids to focus.
... because of the technological stimulation kids are constantly under. TV, smart phones, ads, multiple devices..it really takes a mental toll. If a figet spinner helps, it helps.
They allow you to teach ? Add fidget spinners to your technological stimulation list. How can they possibly help anybody focus ? They look and play and think about their fidget spinners.
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