AT&T, which owns large broadband and wireless networks, is an internet service provider, or ISP. As a result, it can leverage its infrastructure to help promote its other ventures. And so, as promised, the carrier announced that users of its internet services will be able to stream much of DirecTV Now without it counting against their data caps.
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As a reminder, the core tenet of the net neutrality rules the FCC passed in 2015 is to regulate ISPs into ensuring that all data that cross over their network is treated equally. For instance, a Comcast or Verizon or AT&T (all considered ISPs) cannot force a web service such as Google or Netflix to pay a fee for access to a “fast lane” that delivers the service to consumers at a higher quality than other web services.
All data should be treated equally. This website should not count against my data cap if DirectTV does not. What happens if someone wants to start a service that would rival DirectTV? Who in their right mind would use it if it counts against the data cap?
All data should be treated equally. This website should not count against my data cap if DirectTV does not. What happens if someone wants to start a service that would rival DirectTV? Who in their right mind would use it if it counts against the data cap?
only you would complain about getting a service for free..
hint, t mobil does this also , some "services"(streaming) don't go against data limits ..
do you ***** when you sign up for a cable bundle and they throw in hbo showtime and a few other movie channels for free for the first year or two, also??
hint it's part of the bundled service.. a bonus for having both.. get over it..
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Just woke up? This is not new. ATT T-Mobile and others are "Zero rating" services, means doesn't count under data caps, and FCC knows this. This has been going on for 18mo or longer. Example: NYTimes 12/2015 http://bits.blogs.nytimes.c...zero-rating-services
Many claim Trump etc will to stop FCC Net Neutrality rules by pushing new laws. Trump is on record for hating Net Neutrality for years.
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Please let us know what else seems to bother you. There is just so much. Could you centralize the butt hurt to just one thread. Only for historical purposes.
Screw net neutrality and the push for fairness. This is about competition. We are still Capitolist last I checked. I hope they make a fortune and force down telecommunication and subscriber tv prices. 100 bucks a month for 8 gigs? Net neutrality should end at ensuring one network doesn't purposely target another networks subscribers.
Aren't you sick of being screwed over minutes, and messages, and upgrades, and promotions and DATA OVERAGES?
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I don't get it. Are you saying no data should be offered as a freebie?
Imagine if the average steak was choice grade and the government restricted the giving away of Prime steaks?
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Next time I see Ron Popeil (But wait--we're not done yet!) throw in that 2nd set of steak knives for free I'm gonna toss a table lamp thru the tv in anger yelling "That second set of knives should cost $29.95 too you imbecile!". (Don't get me started on that damn commie Men's Warehouse place that makes ya take a 3rd suit for free if you buy 2 others at regular price)
Next time I see Ron Popeil (But wait--we're not done yet!) throw in that 2nd set of steak knives for free I'm gonna toss a table lamp thru the tv in anger yelling "That second set of knives should cost $29.95 too you imbecile!". (Don't get me started on that damn commie Men's Warehouse place that makes ya take a 3rd suit for free if you buy 2 others at regular price)
Direct TV IS getting preference over other services because their service doesn't go against the cap. By allowing this to happen, there can be no market competition. No one can create another service to compete against Direct TV because a new service won't be able to afford to pay ATT to lift the data cap.
The issue is that it is now starting to go away from just mobile data use. When this stuff starts happening to home internet, the problem starts for those who only have one provider available. Many areas, especially rural ones, only have one "choice" of ATT or Comcast(or another), so if they decide what websites and companies get priority, they control what people see.
You do realize AT&T now OWNs Directv right. They, like any company are allowed to do whatever they want within their company. I hate AT&T, but love Directv...that I had before the buyout. I have to take the bad with the good. Directv is the only choice for me because I get it in the RVs for $7.00 a month each. For a tv addict like me having a few hundred channels to watch no matter where I am is a godsend.
People still use DirecTV/Dish this day in age with options like Netflix and Hulu Plus or even a Fire TV stick? *shrug* I have no problem with my data cap of 250gb/mo and $9/mo Netflix bill.
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I think you miss the whole net neutrality issue. You are confusing limiting bandwidth with limiting choice. AT&T cannot give bandwidth priority to DirectTV over, say, Netflix. Whether or not AT&T charges you for receiving DirectTV is NOT net neutrality.
I have Hulu too. It dont work without a WiFi signal which may be hard to find camping 50 miles out in the boonies. I can use my phone to bring it in with 3g/4g service if Im in cities or heavily trafficed areas, but not out in the woods by a lake. I get satellite anywhere. 250gb wouldnt get me even thru a few days (appx 3gb@hour, per show). Hulu also doesnt get a lot of shows I watch. Netflix, that I tried out, mostly has movies...90% of which I dont like. Besides watching, I usually record 6-8 hours of tv shows a day to watch when nothing is on live. A lot of specials programming I like to record on DVDs from my DVR to keep. My DVD recorders wont record YouTube or Hulu programming. I like my car racing, and mostly without satellite or cable, you dont get them. Im not interested in like Nascar.com's internet coverage from in car cameras.
Direct TV IS getting preference over other services because their service doesn't go against the cap. By allowing this to happen, there can be no market competition. No one can create another service to compete against Direct TV because a new service won't be able to afford to pay ATT to lift the data cap.
The issue is that it is now starting to go away from just mobile data use. When this stuff starts happening to home internet, the problem starts for those who only have one provider available. Many areas, especially rural ones, only have one "choice" of ATT or Comcast(or another), so if they decide what websites and companies get priority, they control what people see.
get back to us when you understand the issue.. as you clearly don't
Are you tardanic? Cell phones with no data and limited minutes used to cost hundreds a month. Before sms was even a thing. Then sms, Sprint got it, but wasn't even sure how to charge for it, so they didn't for a long while. Then they did, now it's included. Unlimited. Data came. Same thing Sprint gave unlimited. Things changed. They went tiered. I don't pay a ton for my cell anymore. Used to be 2 lines with some 3G spots around $150. I can get unlimited data for $70 and it's 4G. Which is faster than my first home cable line. Hell DSL was only 1.6Mb forever. Att owns Direct. They are just giving it as a bonus. T-Mobile has some music service that doesn't go against data. Where is your anger there? Priority would be the problem. Unlimited data is a thing already, making this moot. Use whatever service you want if you have unlimited.
You qq a lot
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I have Hulu too. It dont work without a WiFi signal which may be hard to find camping 50 miles out in the boonies. I can use my phone to bring it in with 3g/4g service if Im in cities or heavily trafficed areas, but not out in the woods by a lake. I get satellite anywhere. 250gb wouldnt get me even thru a few days (appx 3gb@hour, per show). Hulu also doesnt get a lot of shows I watch. Netflix, that I tried out, mostly has movies...90% of which I dont like. Besides watching, I usually record 6-8 hours of tv shows a day to watch when nothing is on live. A lot of specials programming I like to record on DVDs from my DVR to keep. My DVD recorders wont record YouTube or Hulu programming. I like my car racing, and mostly without satellite or cable, you dont get them. Im not interested in like Nascar.com's internet coverage from in car cameras.
Get a Firestock off me. Watch anything. Movies. Tv. That race thing where they make a bunch of left's.
Wait 3GB/hr with Hulu, which btw is the most garbage of the streaming services. That can't be right.
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Get a Firestock off me. Watch anything. Movies. Tv. That race thing where they make a bunch of left's.
Wait 3GB/hr with Hulu, which btw is the most garbage of the streaming services. That can't be right.
Knew this was off.
How much data does Hulu use? Fortunately, among its competitors, Hulu is one of the most economical video-streaming services when it comes to data usage. An hour of watching video on Hulu at the highest quality requires about 650 megabytes -- or 0.65 gigabytes -- of data. By comparison, Netflix requires anywhere from 1 to 3 full gigabytes of data per hour of video. Assuming that you had a 250-gigabyte monthly data cap, and the month had 30 days, that means that you could watch about 13 hours of video pe
Wait 3GB/hr with Hulu, which btw is the most garbage of the streaming services. That can't be right.
"How much data does Hulu use?
Fortunately, among its competitors, Hulu is one of the most economical video-streaming services when it comes to data usage. An hour of watching video on Hulu at the highest quality requires about 650 megabytes -- or 0.65 gigabytes -- of data. By comparison, Netflix requires anywhere from 1 to 3 full gigabytes of data per hour of video. Assuming that you had a 250-gigabyte monthly data cap, and the month had 30 days, that means that you could watch about 13 hours of video per day at the highest quality on Hulu! "
Fortunately, among its competitors, Hulu is one of the most economical video-streaming services when it comes to data usage. An hour of watching video on Hulu at the highest quality requires about 650 megabytes -- or 0.65 gigabytes -- of data. By comparison, Netflix requires anywhere from 1 to 3 full gigabytes of data per hour of video. Assuming that you had a 250-gigabyte monthly data cap, and the month had 30 days, that means that you could watch about 13 hours of video per day at the highest quality on Hulu! "
I've logged my usage on Netflix and it was only around 300MB. In 1080P i can't recall if that was a full hour though or just half. So 20 or 40 minutes.
I've logged my usage on Netflix and it was only around 300MB. In 1080P i can't recall if that was a full hour though or just half. So 20 or 40 minutes.
From Netflix's help site: Adjust your data usage settings
Adjusting the data usage settings for your account is the easiest way to reduce the amount of bandwidth used while watching Netflix. There are four data usage settings to choose from. Each estimate below is per stream:
Low (0.3 GB per hour) Medium (SD: 0.7 GB per hour) High (Best video quality, up to 3 GB per hour for HD and 7 GB per hour for Ultra HD) Auto (Adjusts automatically to deliver the highest possible quality, based on your current Internet connection speed)
Get a Firestock off me. Watch anything. Movies. Tv. That race thing where they make a bunch of left's.
Wait 3GB/hr with Hulu, which btw is the most garbage of the streaming services. That can't be right.
Watch anything with your firestick as long as you can get service where you are. Its not a magic device that will pull video out of thin air. Satellite works ANYWHERE except inside a building or cave...for $7.00 a month in the motorhome. Of course the exception is if your directly under a severe thunderstorm...then you just watch whats on the DVR.
Hulu is great to me, Netflix sucks. I quit it after the trial period. All streaming services use about 1gb for an hour of standard def, and up to 3gb for HD.
from Netflix site: "Watching movies or TV shows on Netflix uses about 1 GB of data per hour for each stream of standard definition video, and up to 3 GB per hour for each stream of HD video. This can create headaches for Netflix members who have a monthly bandwidth or data cap on their Internet service."
from Apple: "An SD movie is about 800 megabytes, an HD, about 2 Gigs, very rough estimates. If space is a concern, buy the largest you can afford. "
Yahoo answers: "Depends on the quality. A download of just OK quality will be like 800MB. A DVD rip should be like 4GB."
Playstation streaming: "alot of things effect the size, but most decent movies are anywhere from 700mb to 1.8gbs (standard/HD)
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Watch anything with your firestick as long as you can get service where you are. Its not a magic device that will pull video out of thin air. Satellite works ANYWHERE except inside a building or cave...for $7.00 a month in the motorhome. Of course the exception is if your directly under a severe thunderstorm...then you just watch whats on the DVR.
Hulu is great to me, Netflix sucks. I quit it after the trial period. All streaming services use about 1gb for an hour of standard def, and up to 3gb for HD.
from Netflix site: "Watching movies or TV shows on Netflix uses about 1 GB of data per hour for each stream of standard definition video, and up to 3 GB per hour for each stream of HD video. This can create headaches for Netflix members who have a monthly bandwidth or data cap on their Internet service."
from Apple: "An SD movie is about 800 megabytes, an HD, about 2 Gigs, very rough estimates. If space is a concern, buy the largest you can afford. "
Yahoo answers: "Depends on the quality. A download of just OK quality will be like 800MB. A DVD rip should be like 4GB."
Playstation streaming: "alot of things effect the size, but most decent movies are anywhere from 700mb to 1.8gbs (standard/HD)
You said you had a hotspot... I'm good with an 800MB dvdrip. They download in under 5-6 minutes. Streaming is my jam though. If I can't stream it, something disaster related is probably going on already and my wife will want the news. Depending on what it is I'll be busy or drinking some bourbon making jokes. I'm betting you have a 32" in the RV? Standard wide deff looks decent enough for my eyes on that size. Not sure why you'd want to get away from it all just to watch TV
Originally posted by E.Furgal: get back to us when you understand the issue.. as you clearly don't
He and a few other does have a clue... Comcast has been use Zero Rating for their own stream service. ATT/DTV does same but Netflix YT and most everything get counted for data cap. Sprint and T-Mobile has Zero Rating services too. Zero Rated services has huge advantages over all normal services that count under cap and over charges. When you get charge for being over cap a few times or speed is cut for normal internet service, ANY service w/ Zero Rating will be viewed a lot more.
When T-Mobile etc claim "unlimited" they also put fine print that says Company can/will slow speeds after XXGB is used at any or all the time for the rest of current billing cycle.
Zero Rating data is design to have the same results done by Microsoft to kill Netscape Corp by giving away IE. Any company big enough to pay to play can crush anyone that counts for data caps. If big enough to pay then AT&T et al can still refuse or by put price so high you won't pay because competing service they own or others already playing. Just like Apple kill apps that competing w/ Apple's current or future offers/features.
Comcast now offers Netflex Only on X1 STB. X1 STB and Voice Remote Cost more money each month. Otherwise using Netflex still counting under the cap. Web On Demand and even Comcast Phone services also counted for data caps.
All Comcast customers have caps but currently unenforced in most markets. They increase the cap in some markets from 300GB to 1TB but still use a cap. If you want best TV from Netflix etc, watch 4K TV or have several TV you can go over 1TB and get charge for this. Overage charge is $10 per 50GB in a few markets.
Or use wifi and stop with the cellular data usage for movies. My daughter does this. Sits in the house with 50 meg wifi and doesn't turn on wifi on her iPhone. Why? If you are so addicted to movies that you have to use cellular data to watch stuff when out of wifi range then it's on you and your wallet. You get no sympathy from me.
Originally posted by Hudini: Or use wifi and stop with the cellular data usage for movies. My daughter does this. Sits in the house with 50 meg wifi and doesn't turn on wifi on her iPhone. Why? If you are so addicted to movies that you have to use cellular data to watch stuff when out of wifi range then it's on you and your wallet. You get no sympathy from me.
yes and better, Netflix now can DL streams and watch off line etc to avoid cell phone data capping.
but problem is Home ISPs have caps too or soon will after Comcast and AT&T Uverse settles w/ FCC or Congress write new Laws to Strip FCC of Net Neutrality rules. (ATT high speed caps is 1 TB./mo but DSL only gets 150GB/mo.) Comcast AT&T Verizon and others are spending Many Millions of $ to Lobby Congress to kill NN fast as possible.
If these ISPs try that mess they will learn what customer dissatisfaction is all about. I will let my Senators and Congressman know my feelings on this matter though. Trying to put a data cap on home internet service is not acceptable. Ever. Thanks for the reminder.
You said you had a hotspot... I'm good with an 800MB dvdrip. They download in under 5-6 minutes. Streaming is my jam though. If I can't stream it, something disaster related is probably going on already and my wife will want the news. Depending on what it is I'll be busy or drinking some bourbon making jokes. I'm betting you have a 32" in the RV? Standard wide deff looks decent enough for my eyes on that size. Not sure why you'd want to get away from it all just to watch TV
Back on subject. This is hardly net neutrality.
I dont have a hotspot. I have used my 4g phone to send streaming video to the tvs..IF I get a signal. It still has to get a signal. Yes, I go to races and run the tv via satellite to see where I cant see visually. after the races we watch movies or whatever. A lot of times, usually every other week or so I get away to the lake or river and I dont do much outdoors when its 30* in winter. We just go to hang out where theres no other people to bother us. Maybe just to enjoy the scenery, watch movies or shows, play some uninterrupted sex . We pick a spot to park and dont even get out of the RV, maybe for the whole weekend. Its much nicer than sitting out in the yard, listening to traffic, watching all the local thugs doing whatever. It would be OK to stay at the lake house in warm weather, but their rebuilding the dam so most of the waters been drained out for the next year or so. Also people know where its at and we would always have people 'stopping by'...so its hardly a getaway. A getaway to me is just going anywhere that no one who knows you, would have any idea where we are. I could be on the Ohio River, or in the National Forest, or at a Walmart in Cincinnati. The smaller motorhome has a couple of 32s", the bigger has a couple of 24s", a 40" and a 55" outside. They both have DVRs, VCRs and DVD players.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by E.Furgal: get back to us when you understand the issue.. as you clearly don't
He and a few other does have a clue... Comcast has been use Zero Rating for their own stream service. ATT/DTV does same but Netflix YT and most everything get counted for data cap. Sprint and T-Mobile has Zero Rating services too. Zero Rated services has huge advantages over all normal services that count under cap and over charges. When you get charge for being over cap a few times or speed is cut for normal internet service, ANY service w/ Zero Rating will be viewed a lot more.
When T-Mobile etc claim "unlimited" they also put fine print that says Company can/will slow speeds after XXGB is used at any or all the time for the rest of current billing cycle.
Zero Rating data is design to have the same results done by Microsoft to kill Netscape Corp by giving away IE. Any company big enough to pay to play can crush anyone that counts for data caps. If big enough to pay then AT&T et al can still refuse or by put price so high you won't pay because competing service they own or others already playing. Just like Apple kill apps that competing w/ Apple's current or future offers/features.
Comcast now offers Netflex Only on X1 STB. X1 STB and Voice Remote Cost more money each month. Otherwise using Netflex still counting under the cap. Web On Demand and even Comcast Phone if I ownservices also counted for data caps.
All Comcast customers have caps but currently unenforced in most markets. They increase the cap in some markets from 300GB to 1TB but still use a cap. If you want best TV from Netflix etc, watch 4K TV or have several TV you can go over 1TB and get charge for this. Overage charge is $10 per 50GB in a few markets.[/QUOTE] He doesn't have a clue.. there is no wrong in giving your customers something as part of the service.. They are not playing favorites.. the OWN direct tv.. now if they didn't own it and gave the service for direct tv and say not to dish network.. then he'd have a point..
If I own the company.. I can give my customers the service.. as a perk, bonus . That is MY choice .. T mobil gives free music and movie streaming..
Why is it, people complain when a company is offering something for free.. ??? This is the same type stupid as those that complained that Microsoft o/s came with a internet brouser .. instead of filing a law suit they should've just made their product better.. so people would want it.. but no..
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He doesn't have a clue.. there is no wrong in giving your customers something as part of the service.. They are not playing favorites.. the OWN direct tv.. now if they didn't own it and gave the service for direct tv and say not to dish network.. then he'd have a point..
If I own the company.. I can give my customers the service.. as a perk, bonus . That is MY choice .. T mobil gives free music and movie streaming..
Why is it, people complain when a company is offering something for free.. ??? This is the same type stupid as those that complained that Microsoft o/s came with a internet brouser .. instead of filing a law suit they should've just made their product better.. so people would want it.. but no..
My issue is not that a company is giving something for free, my issue is what it could lead to if we allow companies to get too big.
The number of mobile providers has been shrinking since they were created. In certain areas, there is only one provider that even allows you to get service. Now if AT&T owns DirectTV and that service is provided quicker and better than any other one, those who live where only AT&T is available will only ever be able to choose DirectTV. It is a monopoly.
Now there are many places where there are two or three providers. If each of those providers has their own service, it is still impossible for any new service to break into that market.
A lot of people on this forum(rightfully) complain about the MSM, this is exactly how they become dominant. DirectTV doesn't stream any forms of alternative media, and doesn't count against the data cap. However, many sources of alternative media either use their own websites or Youtube to stream video, that DOES count against the data cap. It doesn't matter how good that source of alternative media is, if people have to pay money for it when the MSM is free, the vast majority are not going to. All of sudden the narrative is whatever 2 or 3 major telecom companies want it to be.
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T-Mobile doesn't really do the free music/movie streaming any more. They have gone to a single plan structure with unlimited data.
Also net neutrality is about preventing service providers like Netflix, Hulu, Spotify, etc… from paying ISPs to prioritize access to their services, and degrade access to competing services. If you have fair and equal access to all services outside the ISP's network, it becomes hard to claim that an ISP serving you data for an additional service (like TV) provided by the ISP from the ISP's internal network, is in violation of Net Neutrality. Would be interesting to see that go through court though.
