It seems the IRS got caught illegally investigating political groups. Not just political groups, only those filing under 501C tax exempt status with "Tea Party" or "Patriot" in their name. This during the 2012 federal elections. Among it's illegal investigation queries, the IRS demanded the names of all donors of said political groups. Also illegal. One has to wonder why "Media Matters" did not get the same treatment. Lois G. Lerner, the IRS official who oversees tax-exempt groups, said the “absolutely inappropriate” actions by “front-line people” were not driven by partisan motives. Yeah, right, . Was this the same guy who said, when complaints were being made, "these complaints are unfounded" ?
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said by Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups
IRS agents singled out dozens of organizations for additional reviews because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their exemption applications, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups. In some cases, groups were asked for lists of donors, which violates IRS policy in most cases, she said. (snip) "That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases for further review. We select cases for further review because they need further review" Lerner said at a conference sponsored by the American Bar Association. "The IRS would like to apologize for that," she added.
One might be surprised to hear that this is good news for Obama. His Baghdad Bob spokesman Jay Varney, being pummeled by the press for the Benghazi Bungle yesterday, seemed glad to be able to deflect to another topic, as sordid as it is. The Obama Regime's chicanery, as par for the course, deflects attention from important issues in hopes that they will go away. Why did the IRS all of a sudden fess up ?
Apology good enough? It will be when apologies are good enough for citizen's tax return mistakes.
Knowing that the IRS is the most aggressive collector of money due that I'm aware of, I think they should be held to their own standard of repayment and compounded fees.
At the very least, they owe those companies for the time they had to use while dealing with this mess. On top of that, there needs to be some sort of compensation for the invasion of privacy that occured from demanding the donation list.
If it were a criminal investigation of a private citizen, they would pile on every possible charge imaginable. Apology? Oh, I don't think so.
Apology good enough? It will be when apologies are good enough for citizen's tax return mistakes.
Knowing that the IRS is the most aggressive collector of money due that I'm aware of, I think they should be held to their own standard of repayment and compounded fees.
At the very least, they owe those companies for the time they had to use while dealing with this mess. On top of that, there needs to be some sort of compensation for the invasion of privacy that occured from demanding the donation list.
If it were a criminal investigation of a private citizen, they would pile on every possible charge imaginable. Apology? Oh, I don't think so.
I have to agree with this.. With the way they are with citizens, they should be held to the same standards. I agree, pile on every little single charge they can think of for what they did, and make them pay too the fullest extent of the law.. The IRS would do no different to anyone else.
Caught part of an interview and have family in the fed system. Rough guess, about 90% of them are union/dem loyal. Even if this wasn't ordered by the Obama administration, the heavy DFL / AFSCME influence should be investigated.
It's really no surpirse that the IRS is targeting groups but the IRS is also spying on us too, tracking emails, social media and e-commerce sites including eBay, as well as mobile devices.
Waiting for the day they make you list your political affiliation on your W-4. That way, when the Repubs have the White House, the Dems will all get audited and when the Dems have the White House again, the Repubs will all get audited. Sounds fair right?
It's really no surpirse that the IRS is targeting groups but the IRS is also spying on us too, tracking emails, social media and e-commerce sites including eBay, as well as mobile devices.
They're just making sure you have health insurance and are paying your fair share™.
Originally posted by jetman: ... the IRS is also spying on us too, ...
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your linky In one controversial disclosure in April, the ACLU showed documents in which the IRS general counsel said the agency could look at emails without warrants, but the IRS has said it will not use this power.
While the agency has declined to give details about what third-party personal data it will use in robo-audits and data mining, it has told government and industry groups that its computers are capable of scanning multiple networks at the same time to collect “matching” comprehensive profiles for every taxpayer in America. Such profiles will likely include shopping records, travel, social interactions and information not available to the public, such as health records and files from other government investigators, according to IRS documents.
We can't profile in any area of law enforcement it would seem, except tax collecting, . Could look at emails without a warrant but will not, .
WASHINGTON (AP) - Senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups as early as 2011, according to a draft of an inspector general's report obtained by The Associated Press that seemingly contradicts public statements by the IRS commissioner.
The IRS apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was "inappropriate" targeting of conservative political groups during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status. The agency blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware.
But on June 29, 2011, Lois G. Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt organizations, learned at a meeting that groups were being targeted, according to the watchdog's report. At the meeting, she was told that groups with "Tea Party," ''Patriot" or "9/12 Project" in their names were being flagged for additional and often burdensome scrutiny, the report says. ... Lerner instructed agents to change the criteria for flagging groups "immediately," the report says. ... On Jan, 25, 2012, the criteria for flagging suspect groups was changed to, "political action type organizations involved in limiting/expanding Government, educating on the Constitution and Bill of Rights, social economic reform/movement," the report says.
While this was happening, several committees in Congress were writing numerous letters IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman to express concern because tea party groups were complaining of IRS harassment.
In Shulman's responses, he did not acknowledge targeting of tea party groups. At a congressional hearing March 22, 2012, Shulman was adamant in his denials.
"There's absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people" who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman said at the House Ways and Means subcommittee hearing.
Article 2, section 1 of the Watergate articles of impeachment:
“He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.”
[QUOTE]Article 2, section 1 of the Watergate articles of impeachment:
“He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.”
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But unless the media turn on him somehow, they'll kill the story and nothing will happen. Nixon either didn't have the media in his court or they were actually doing their jobs back then.
From what was touted to be "The most transparent federal govt in history" we got: Lies about Bengazi talking points. Lies about F&F gun running. Lies about IRS targeting Tea Party.
I wonder if the targeted closing of dealerships during the taxpayer auto bailout were done based on the IRS info that was gathered from this. Naw, that never would happen in politics.
But unless the media turn on him somehow, they'll kill the story and nothing will happen. Nixon either didn't have the media in his court or they were actually doing their jobs back then.
Correct. He who controls the information, controls the people.
The brother of a top Obama administration official is also the president of CBS News, and the network may be days away from dropping one of its top investigative reporters for covering the administration’s scandals too aggressively.
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Obama's crew with some coverup of anything when they get caught with their pants down. He will find some low life to throw under the bus and go on like noting happened. Like Hillary.."What does it matter" . I have never seen such a clumsy , inept, corrupt administration. At least Nixon resigned, to bad Obama can't follow that example.
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Originally posted by Formula88: Correct. He who controls the information, controls the people. Oh, look.... Top Obama official’s brother is president of CBS News, may drop reporter over Benghazi coverage The brother of a top Obama administration official is also the president of CBS News, and the network may be days away from dropping one of its top investigative reporters for covering the administration’s scandals too aggressively.
Yeah, I saw that but don't look over here (CBS). Look over there, at NBC. Nobama appointed Jeff Immelt (CEO of General Electric, who owned NBC News) to the Nobama Regime early on in it's first term.
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Soros, who spent $27 million trying to defeat President Bush in 2004, has ties to more than 30 mainstream news outlets – including The New York Times, Washington Post, the Associated Press, NBC and ABC.
Even the liberals who think they are informed likely are not.
Originally posted by Formula88: Why don't we hear about George Soros' ties to media? Because the media supports those ties. He's not manipulating the media - it's a partnership.
Wrong. It can't be, . They can't partner. It would be unethical.
Prominent journalists like ABC’s Christiane Amanpour and former Washington Post editor and now Vice President Len Downie serve on boards of operations that take Soros cash. This despite the Society of Professional Journalists' ethical code stating: “avoid all conflicts real or perceived.”
Nobama, when cornered at a press conference and asked what he thought about about the IRS scandal, said "IF we find that this is true, ..." IF, ? Is he so out of touch that he does not know the his IRS admitted as such ? Did he not know that for over a year, that his Treasury Department's Inspector General has been investigating these claims ? Does it surprise anyone that the IRS issued the apology, knowing the Inspector General's report will be made public soon ? Benghazi deflection ? You bet, .
Nobama, when cornered at a press conference and asked what he thought about about the IRS scandal, said "IF we find that this is true, ..." IF, ? Is he so out of touch that he does not know the his IRS admitted as such ? Did he not know that for over a year, that his Treasury Department's Inspector General has been investigating these claims ? Does it surprise anyone that the IRS issued the apology, knowing the Inspector General's report will be made public soon ? Benghazi deflection ? You bet, .
I caught that too. He chooses his words carefully. That is Obama doing his usual act where he refuses to take any responsibility and blames everyone and anyone but himself.
I caught that too. He chooses his words carefully. That is Obama doing his usual act where he refuses to take any responsibility and blames everyone and anyone but himself.
Yeah, let's not forget that it was a BUSH APOINTEE![/sarcasm]
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On this forum I posted on the IRS investications & attempting the taking to trial republican congressmen & republican organizations many months ago. When Obumbles was elected he authorized 1700 new IRS agents ,remember?? guess who they mainly went after the president is a typical corrupt Chigaco politician who went to a HATE america church for 20 years, he never leaves a paper trail,, he verbally communicates to underlings who also are carefull,,His bag man resco went to jail ,volunteered to go to jail with out trial.RESCO will be fabulous wealthy when released,after the obligatory,I just got out & I am broke period !! The president of the USA is a corrupt ,liar,criminal,,he is protected by the T.V. news & Press, Obumbles ??he is baby jesus to blacks & blacks will riot if he is hung by his weasel slithering neck as he well deserves Obumbles the Liberal moderate ?? the Obumbles gang & his america hating POS laef butt wife follows Lewinski rules & started his political carreer with murderer Bomber bill ayres who skated prison because he had 100 democrat lawyers.. & the people he & his wife killed ,were thrown away in the trash,,just like you would be if you were in chicago Ayres /Obumbles way! Actress 7 of 9 cuckold act, brought us the master liar thief Obumbles ,& U wonder how a $$ billion$$ disapeared down the green ,ecology portapotty.with 40 companies all failing,not one success misspelling all on purpose the greens ,liberals & atheist droolers would have storm the voting booths, to vote for A marxist Obumbles /Ayres Ticket,the media dragging the low information Idiots & even less informed dropout rap ,hip hop blacks with them !! the cover up is massive, you are step threaded reversed screwed,,helpless ,reemed,stab in the back,betrayed by the media that should inform us
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Yeah, let's not forget that it was a BUSH APOINTEE!
I liked that one. Bengahzi was sooooo long ago yet, given any opportunity to blame the Bush Administration for something, they'll take it. Bush left office in January 2009. It's 2013 and these events happened as far back as 2011. Sorry dude. This was under your watch now man up, take responsibility, and do something about it without pointing fingers all of the time.
Yeah, let's not forget that it was a BUSH APOINTEE!
And the point is?
Bush appointee or not, it doesn't change the severity of the issue. I care less about how someone got the job than how they DO the job. Also, Bush has been out of office for a long time now. After 4 years in office, don't you think it's time the current president take some responsibility for the people working for him?
Bush appointee or not, it doesn't change the severity of the issue. I care less about how someone got the job than how they DO the job. Also, Bush has been out of office for a long time now. After 4 years in office, don't you think it's time the current president take some responsibility for the people working for him?
Oh, I understand all that. I just hadn't heard any of the Bush haters say it and I thought it was the appropriate comment that they would make....just in case they'd forgotten.
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FORGOT!! the most successful dodge dealership in the world was in the Orlando florida area ,Bob Dance Dodge!! he was a republican & Obumbles shut him down ,a short time later the man had a massive heart attack now they sell foreign cars ,,Kia or some such thing IRS rip off Bengahzi Gun grab billion dollar green eco failure,,YES $$billions there are many many failures ,,not one success $$$$$$$$$$ Gun traveling to mexican drug king pins,death of border agents ,,zero convictions hundreds of Mexicans killed by these guns.. add your own, there are a lot,only massive coverup by democratic party press keep Obumbles out of impeachment & prison I do like that Obumbles has zero morals & kills islamic terrorist,, that Bush could not touch, the democratic press ABC,NBC,CBS protected them, Obumbles is incompetent, not much worse than the many other covicted democrat criminals, if they could not send a crooked criminal democrat tax swindler like Charles Rangel to prison!! Obumbles is safe!!'
It gets worse. It seems Obama also leaked Conservative groups confidential document to his liberal darlings in the media. Time to take this guy out of office. This trash doesn't belong in the White House. Send him back to whatever mud hut village he came from where his sort of politics belong.
. Was this the same guy who said, when complaints were being made, "these complaints are unfounded" ?
? Is he so out of touch that he does not know the his IRS admitted as such ? Did he not know that for over a year, that his Treasury Department's Inspector General has been investigating these claims ?
